Resonance and understanding what a resonant is?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of resonance in wave mechanics, particularly focusing on the definitions and characteristics of resonant frequencies as described in a textbook. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the second and third resonant states and their relation to the first resonant state, as well as the implications of different frequencies on these resonances.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of superimposing waves and how different frequencies lead to various resonant states. Questions arise about the nature of resonant waves and the specific characteristics of nodes and antinodes in different resonant modes.

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Some participants have provided resources, such as an applet, to visualize the concept of resonance, which has helped clarify some aspects for the original poster. However, there remains a sense of confusion regarding the application of these concepts in practical scenarios, and further questions about specific equations and their implications have been raised.

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The original poster mentions feeling overwhelmed by the new concepts and expresses a desire for clarity on how these ideas will be applied in future physics contexts. There is also a question about the description of air columns in the textbook, indicating a need for clarification on specific definitions and setups.

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Here is a page out of my textbook but I'm having trouble understanding what a Resonant is
They try to explain it clearly but I get confused when they start talking about a 2nd and 3 resonant. The pictures seem clear that they exist with their nodes and antinodes but where do the 2nd and 3rd come from. Confusing to me. maybe someone can explain better how this works.
I have uploaded the page to here at photobucket

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Spookie71/image0-11.jpg

Again I can make sense of the first drawing, I just don't understand where the other two come in. Maybe it just needs to be explained different.

Thanks
Scott
 
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Okay, you understand what it means for two waves to be superimposed (added together) right? Resonant waves are just one possible result when you add two waves together. Here's an applet that can let you see what happens with different frequencies:
http://www.ngsir.netfirms.com/englishhtm/StatWave.htm

If you max out the amplitude on the applet and set it to a frequency of 75 you can see a resonating wave with 4 nodes. At 99 you can see one with 5 nodes.

Even though there are is one particular string, you can have different resonances (one with just two nodes, one with three nodes, 4 nodes... and so on.
 
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So those pictures that i posted for you are based on using different frequencies, that makes more sense to me. the applet makes a lot more sense. The page didn't really say it was using different frequencies, just that there was a 2nd and 3rd Resonant.

Still confused but the overall picture is becoming clearer.

Thank you
 
Can I help you with whatever you're still confused about?
 
Anadyne I appreciate your help. to be honest I'm just a little overwhelmed. It's a lot of new concepts all at once. Just a matter of processing them. I guess it would help a little if I knew where we are going and where I will apply this later in Physics. It's a lot to remember how sound resonates in an air column that is open ended or closed on one end. Must sound silly to you but I'm having difficulty. Wish I could be more specific.

Scott
 
Ok here is a question for you, How can a column of air be closed at both ends? as their describing in this textbook?
 
Actually forget my last question:

I have a question regarding an equation again.

Required is [tex]\lambda[/tex]

l = [tex]\frac{(2n - 1)\lambda}{4}[/tex]

becomes

[tex]\lambda[/tex][tex]\frac{4l}{(2n - 1)}[/tex]

I understand that you multiply the 4 by both sides and then bring the 4l over as the numerator. Where it becomes confusing is the (2n -1) and bringing it down to the denomenator. Doesn't bringing it down from the numerator cancel it out?
 

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