Rest energy and Kinetic Energy of a Photon - velocity?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the kinetic energy and rest energy of a photon, specifically exploring the scenario where the kinetic energy equals the rest energy. Participants are examining the implications of this relationship in the context of relativistic physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply classical kinetic energy equations to a photon, questioning the validity of their approach. Other participants suggest that the term "kinetic energy" in this context may be misleading and discuss the need to consider total energy in relativity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the definitions of energy in relativity. There is a recognition of the confusion surrounding the terminology used in the question, and some guidance is offered regarding the correct interpretation of energy equations.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the appropriateness of using classical mechanics concepts for a photon, as well as the implications of relativistic effects on energy and velocity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the definitions and equations relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Thanks for everyone that helped me with the physics questions! I had my physics 2 final today and got a 94! There was a question that I could not figure out for a long time. It goes like this.

What would the velocity of the photon be if the Kinetic energy of the photon equals the rest energy of the photon? Express v in terms of c and anything else. Luckily, the question was a multiple choice, and the correct answer (which I guessed) was sqrt(3)/2 x c

I still cannot figure out why this is true.


Homework Equations



K=1/2mv^2 --> I assume this is the right equation to use...
Er=mc^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Equaling the two would give you:

1/2mv^2=mc^2

v^2=2c^2
v=sqrt(2) x c

This is obviously not true since you can't go faster than the speed of light. Can someone explain to me how the answer is sqrt(3)/2 x c and why I am getting this thing wrong? Am I using the right Kinetic Energy equation??

Thanks!
 
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Hi max8404! Many congratulations! :biggrin:
max8404 said:
What would the velocity of the photon be if the Kinetic energy of the photon equals the rest energy of the photon? Express v in terms of c and anything else. Luckily, the question was a multiple choice, and the correct answer (which I guessed) was sqrt(3)/2 x c

Homework Equations



K=1/2mv^2 --> I assume this is the right equation to use...
… why I am getting this thing wrong? Am I using the right Kinetic Energy equation??

oooh, I wish examiners wouldn't use "kinetic energy" in relativity :cry:

they just mean total energy minus rest energy :rolleyes:

so 2m = m/√(1 - v2/c2), so 1 - v2/c2 = 1/4 :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi max8404! Many congratulations! :biggrin:


oooh, I wish examiners wouldn't use "kinetic energy" in relativity :cry:

they just mean total energy minus rest energy :rolleyes:

so 2m = m/√(1 - v2/c2), so 1 - v2/c2 = 1/4 :wink:

Hey Tiny Tim, thanks for your response, but I doon't quite get it. I understand the equation,
E=KE+mc^2, but in this case, what would E be? Or am I once again looking at it the wrong way?

Thanks!
 
E is the total energy (or relativistic energy), mc2/√(1 - v2/c2) :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
E is the total energy (or relativistic energy), mc2/√(1 - v2/c2) :smile:

duh. thanks a lot! I got it now! :)
 
I have a big problem with a photon's velocity being less than c.
 

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