Restoring force (negative or positive)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of restoring force in the context of a pinball machine's spring mechanism. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of force exerted on a spring and questions the sign of the restoring force in relation to equilibrium.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the restoring force is considered positive when the force exerted to compress the spring is seen as moving it away from equilibrium. Some participants question the definitions and representations of force, particularly in relation to directionality and magnitude.

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The discussion is exploring different interpretations of force direction and magnitude, particularly in the context of Hooke's law and physical representations of force. Participants are engaging with the original poster's questions and offering insights without reaching a consensus.

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The original poster references a specific scenario involving a pinball machine and a pogo stick, raising questions about the nature of forces in these contexts. There is an underlying assumption regarding the definitions of equilibrium and restoring force that is being examined.

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First, I'll give a problem in context..
In anticipation of her first game, Alesia pulls back the handle of a pinball machine a distance of 5cm. The force constant of the spring in the handle is 200N/m. How much force must Alesia exert?
Convert 5cm to 0.05m.
F=kx..
k=200N/m
x=0.05m
200N*0.05m/m=10N

But why is it positive..
I have a definition for restoring force as
"Whenever a spring is stretched from its equilibrium position and released, it will move back and forth on either side of the equilibrium position. The force that pulls it back and attempts to restore the spring to equilibrium is called the restoring force."
"The force that acts to move the spring away from the equilibrium position is equal in magnitude to the restoring force, but opposite in direction."

So.. In Alesia's pinball machine.. the spring is in equilibrium? The force that Alesia exerts makes the spring not equilibrium.. So shouldn't the force be negative? I realized that the force exerted after she releases is going to be the same magnitude..

And that's just the context problem..
Gary Stewart of Reading, Ohio set a pogo stick record in 1990 by jumping 177737 times(irrelevant??). a)If pogo stick he used had a force constant(k) of 6000N/m and compressed 0.12m on each jump, what force must Gary have exerted on the pogo stick upon each jump?
b)What force would be exerted back up on Gary each time he went up?


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Note that the magnitude of a force is always positive because it is a vector. The direction of the force is another story. With Hook'e law, if you know where the equilibrium position is, the spring force vector will point to it.
 
I remember with electrostatics.. Forces of attraction were represented with negatives..
http://phun.physics.virginia.edu/topics/electrostatics.html
 
In situations like these you have to think about what the they physically represent.

Think of it this way how would you move a book with negative force?

No matter what direction you move the book the book is always moving positively with respect to the force you apply on it.
 

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