Undergrad Retro-causality thought experiment

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The discussion centers on the implications of retro-causality in quantum mechanics, particularly referencing Wheeler's delayed choice quantum eraser experiment, which suggests that past events can be influenced by present actions. Participants debate whether this concept could extend to the universe, raising concerns about how current experiments simulating conditions of the Big Bang might retroactively alter our understanding of physics. Some argue that discovering properties of particles does not change their inherent nature, while others challenge the validity of retro-causality, asserting it violates causality principles. The conversation highlights the tension between quantum mechanics' counterintuitive ideas and traditional notions of cause and effect. Ultimately, the thread concludes with a dismissal of the thought experiment as a misunderstanding of quantum principles.
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It has been mostly substantiated by virtue of experiments such as wheelers delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that we are able to retroactively impact past events of particles. However could this apply to the universe. When physicists are carrying out experiments today, which are creating the conditions of the big bang, prior to the experiment it is uncertain what they will find, because it is uncertain how things behaved back then. That means by experiment that physicists are retroactively determining the laws of physics and even what happens today. This could have devastating consequences potentially since effecting the conditions of the big bang could dramatically effect the conditions today.

Please tell me what you think of my thought experiment?
 
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john taylor said:
It has been mostly substantiated by virtue of experiments such as wheelers delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that we are able to retroactively impact past events of particles. However could this apply to the universe. When physicists are carrying out experiments today, which are creating the conditions of the big bang, prior to the experiment it is uncertain what they will find, because it is uncertain how things behaved back then. That means by experiment that physicists are retroactively determining the laws of physics and even what happens today. This could have devastating consequences potentially since effecting the conditions of the big bang could dramatically effect the conditions today.

Please tell me what you think of my thought experiment?
I think it's nonsense. If I find out today that you got married 8 years ago, does that somehow mean that you are now divorced? You may or may not be divorced now, but my finding out when you got married has nothing to do with it.

To be more specific, the properties of the electron, for example, are what they are. Our DISCOVERING what they are has no effect on what they are now or on what they have always been.
 
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So do I but its a thought experiment to highlight the absurdities with some of the ideas being proposed in quantum mechanics.
 
john taylor said:
So do I but its a thought experiment to highlight the absurdities with some of the ideas being proposed in quantum mechanics.
What specific ideas do you have in mind? I suspect that you might be misunderstanding whatever idea it is that you think is absurd, unless of course you just mean that it defies "common sense" or "intuition" both of which are often counterproductive in QM.
 
john taylor said:
highlight the absurdities with some of the ideas being proposed in quantum mechanics.

phinds said:
What specific ideas do you have in mind?
Ohhh yes ... please enlighten us all :smile:
 
john taylor said:
t has been mostly substantiated by virtue of experiments such as wheelers delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that we are able to retroactively impact past events of particles.

No, it hasn't. That would violate causality, and no experiment has ever shown a violation of causality.

john taylor said:
Please tell me what you think of my thought experiment?

It's not a thought experiment, it's a mistaken understanding of an actual experiment.

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Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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