Rewarding career after physics graduation - Mysterious money?

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The discussion revolves around the career prospects for physics graduates, particularly in light of an anonymous donation aimed at helping students. Participants explore the challenges faced by physics graduates in finding rewarding careers, the responsibilities of educational institutions, and the broader implications of choosing a physics degree.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise at the financial support provided to students and question the long-term career outcomes for physics graduates, particularly those who transition into IT roles.
  • One participant argues that the responsibility for career success lies with individual students rather than educational institutions, suggesting that financial success is not the only measure of a rewarding career.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the choice of a physics degree may be somewhat arbitrary, and that graduates might find fulfillment in careers outside of physics, potentially influenced by personal interests and circumstances.
  • A later reply emphasizes that there is no guaranteed path to a fulfilling job post-graduation, but suggests strategies such as gaining experience through internships, developing marketable skills, and exploring various professional sub-fields of physics.
  • Participants discuss the importance of recognizing the diverse career paths available to physics graduates, including fields like medical physics and data science, and the value of practical experience in enhancing employability.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the responsibilities of educational institutions versus individual students in securing rewarding careers. Multiple competing views regarding the nature of career fulfillment and the role of a physics degree remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of a physics education in terms of vocational training, while others note the importance of personal initiative and external factors in career success. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the job market and the value of different educational paths.

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Rewarding career after physics graduation - Mysterious money ?
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Thanks for your response to my threads. This is an interesting forum to seek an insight on this subject.

I am surprised by recent piece .

Physics professor mysteriously sent $180,000 to help students

I find many Physics BS/MS/Phd folks settle in IT career upon completion of their academic endeavor in Physics .

What could be the long, productive, immensely rewarding” career after earning physics degrees from City College of New York this anonymous donor got ?

I know the persons applied for many jobs in various labs /institutions to find physics oriented position to pay his bills after
graduating with Physics Major & astronomy minor with respectable GPA/credentials/research.

Nothing showed up to respect his academic achievement, but a door opened for him in IT consulting company.

He is wondering about his participation of going after Physics passion and the street outcome.

Where/what is the problem?

What are the things the Physics graduates should do to gain productive, immensely rewarding career to pay their bills?

What are the responsibilities/accountability of Physics departments of colleges to make this happen ?

Did City College of New York do something that other colleges did not do ?

Thanks for your guidance/insight.
 
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Carphysics said:
What are the responsibilities/accountability of Physics departments of colleges to make this happen ?
None whatsoever. That's up to each individual student. And remember, making lots of bucks is not everyone's top priority. I'm sure that if the anonymous donor were ever identified, you would find that his/her classmates had a wide spectrum of financial outcomes [maybe some even dropped out and became filthy rich, à la Bill Gates]. A lot of variables involved; and don't overlook personal penchant and serendipity.

Years ago, my undergrad alma mater held a funding drive to endow a physics fellowship in honor of a physics professor who was retiring. He had been one of my best undergrad professors, and I donated. Another former student (not my class) had made it big. In addition to his personal donation, he issued a challenge: he pledged to match dollar-for-dollar the amount others donated, up to a maximum of $9M. Donations by others exceeded $9M, and he chipped in the full max match. Certainly waaay out of my league.
 
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I think people have a slightly toxic view of what kinds of careers are permissible agree they graduate. The normal cycle looks something like
- university offers a somewhat arbitrary selection of degree topics that are analytical in nature
- pick one of them
- enjoy your time doing it
- think that means you need to keep doing it to keep enjoying your time.

Like, if you got a degree in physics, do you think you would have hated college if you got a degree in chemistry or math instead? Probably not. The choice of physics to begin with was probably a bit arbitrary to begin with. Similarly there are a lot of jobs that are not doing physics, but that you would also enjoy, some of them even more than doing physics. There's probably also some sunk cost fallacy here, that you spent all that time learning physics, so you should probably do something with it.
 
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Carphysics said:
What are the things the Physics graduates should do to gain productive, immensely rewarding career to pay their bills?
There's no magic formula that will guarantee a fulfilling, highly paid job when you graduate. But there are some things you can do to improve your chances.
  1. Recognize that a university education in physics is just that. They're going to teach you physics, and generally prepare you to go on to graduate school. Many schools today are well aware that students are also hoping for some kind of vocational training or a means to transfer their education into the workforce, and there are lots of efforts to set students up with marketable skills, but the fundamental purpose of a physics degree is to teach the students physics.
  2. Physics is more than just astrophysics and quantum mechanics. There are, for example, professional sub-fields of physics. These include medical physics, geophysics, engineering physics, health physics and radiation protection, nuclear physics, etc. These fields have employment options outside of academia and can pay quite well.
  3. Take advantage of internships and/or cooperative education programs. These will allow you to get your foot in the door, gain experience, and help you to figure out what kind of vocational environment you are likely to thrive in.
  4. Part-time and summer jobs can help do the same thing. Don't look down on basic customer service jobs either. Developing the skills to deal with people, particularly the difficult ones, can pay bigtime dividends in the long run.
  5. Figure out early how you're going to market yourself. A lot of physics graduates will go on into data science-type jobs. If this appeals to you, it will pay to bolster your education with courses in data science, statistical methods, machine learning, coding, etc. On the other hand if you're more of a hands-on kind of person, you might want to get involved with a local maker's club, or join/start a robotics team at your school and enter some competitions.
 

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