Riemann & Ricci Curvature Tensors: No Coord. Indices?

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The discussion revolves around the notation and representation of the Riemann and Ricci curvature tensors in a coordinate-free manner. Participants explore how to denote these tensors without using coordinate indices, considering both mathematical rigor and standard conventions.

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  • One participant inquires about standard notations for the Riemann and Ricci tensors without coordinate indices.
  • Another participant suggests using the framework from Doran and Lasenby's "Geometric Algebra for Physicists," proposing that the Riemann tensor can be expressed as R(v1^v2) and the Ricci tensor as R(v), emphasizing their respective arguments.
  • A different participant notes that while R is commonly used, it can represent different mathematical structures, such as a trilinear map or a 4-linear map, depending on context, and discusses the implications of these interpretations.
  • One participant expresses a preference for using R and Ric directly, indicating that they find the process of raising and lowering indices straightforward.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single notation or approach, as there are multiple interpretations and preferences expressed regarding the representation of the curvature tensors.

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For you math people who like to express objects in a coordinate-free way, how would you denote the Riemann and the Ricci curvature tensors? They are both usually denoted R but with different indices to show which one is which. Is there a standard way to write them without the coordinate indices?
 
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I strongly recommend Doran and Lasenby's "Geometric Algebra for Physicists". They distinguish the two by showing their arguments. The Riemann tensor is a bivector-valued function of a bivector argument, so it can designated R(v1^v2), where ^ is the wedge-product. The Ricci tensor is a vector valued function of a vector argument, so it can be designated R(v).
 
Yes, I believe writing R and Ric to denote the respective tensors is standard. R is tricky though because sometimes it is interpreted as a trilinear map R: TM x TM x TM --> TM. In which case we write not R(X,Y,Z) but R(X,Y)Z or RZ(X,Y) and call R the riemann curvature endomorphism because given (X,Y), R(X,Y) is an endomorphism TM-->TM: Z-->R(X,Y)Z. Other times, R is interpreted as a 4-linear map R:TM x TM x TM x T*M-->R. This is related of course to the curvature endomorphism by means of the musical isomorphism (aka raising/lowering the last index).
 
Since I'm always working on a manifold with metric, I think I'll just use R and Ric. The raising and lowering of indices is trivial.
 

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