Is the Riemann Curvature Tensor a Mathematical Tool or Physically Significant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Riemann Curvature Tensor and its significance in the context of differential geometry and general relativity. Participants explore whether the tensor is merely a mathematical construct or if it holds physical significance, particularly in relation to the metric tensor and its contravariant version.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the mathematical reasoning behind the assertion that the Riemann Curvature Tensor encapsulates all information about curvature in space.
  • Another participant suggests that the statement lacks mathematical precision and argues that the metric tensor also contains all curvature information, as it can express various derivatives related to curvature.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the contravariant version of the metric, questioning its physical meaning compared to the covariant version, which relates to distances between points.
  • In response, it is explained that the covariant version of the metric has components ##g^{ab}## and operates on vectors, while the contravariant version with components ##g_{ab}## operates on covectors, returning a scalar output.
  • A subsequent question is raised about the physical significance of these metric versions, prompting further exploration of their roles beyond being mathematical tools.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the Riemann Curvature Tensor and the metric tensor, with some suggesting it is a mathematical tool while others imply it may have physical relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of their physical significance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the physical implications of mathematical constructs, particularly concerning the definitions and interpretations of the metric tensor's versions.

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Can someone explain mathematically why do we say Riemann Curvature Tensor has all the information about curvature of Space
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Statements like that are not mathematically precise, so I wouldn't worry about them too much. After all, the metric tensor also has all the information about curvature, since anything else can be expressed in terms of various partial derivatives of the metric.

I think it's a loose way of saying that in everyday operations of differential geometry, and in particular of general relativity, one can derive any piece of info we want about curvature from the Riemann tensor without having to take additional derivatives (which would take the order of differentiation from two to at least three) or taking fancy tensor products (which the Weyl tensor requires).
 
Ok Thanks
Since you mention metric, I was also wondering what does contravariant version of metric mean.
Covariant version of metric tells us about distance between 2 points. What does contravariant version of metric physically mean?
 
Covariant version has components ##g^{ab}##. It is a linear function that takes two vectors in the tangent space at the relevant manifold point as input and returns a real scalar as output.
Contravariant version has components ##g_{ab}##. It is a linear function that takes two covectors (aka one-forms or dual vectors) in the cotangent space at the relevant manifold point as input and returns a real scalar as output.
 
Thanks
So do they have any physical significance or should I consider them as just mathematical tools
 

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