Riemannian Penrose Inequality: Proof Restriction to n=3?

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The discussion revolves around the Riemannian Penrose Inequality and the specific restriction of its proof to the dimension ##n=3## as presented by Huisken and Ilmamen. Participants explore the implications of this restriction, particularly in relation to the Geroch-Hawking mass and its monotonicity, as well as the relevance of the Gauss-Bonnet Theorem and black hole existence in different dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the restriction to ##n=3##, suggesting it may relate to the Geroch-Hawking mass and its monotonicity, which they believe relies on the Gauss-Bonnet Theorem.
  • Another participant notes that the motivation for the inequality is tied to black holes, which do not exist in 2+1 dimensions, implying that the inequality may not be relevant for ##n=2##.
  • Some participants propose that the inequality might hold for dimensions greater than 3, potentially with modifications to the geometrical factor of ##16\pi##.
  • A later reply mentions that the proof was generalized to higher dimensions by Bray but emphasizes that the specific proof by Huisken and Ilmamen is restricted to ##n=3## due to an argument related to Geroch monotonicity.
  • There is a discussion about the existence of black hole solutions in 3 dimensions, with a reference to a specific solution that requires a negative cosmological constant.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the 3-D black hole solution would be asymptotically flat.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the proof is restricted to ##n=3##, but there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of this restriction and the potential for generalization to higher dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific reasons for the restriction and the nature of black holes in various dimensions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the Euler characteristic and its relation to the dimension, suggesting that certain arguments may only be valid in dimension 3, potentially linked to the Hawking topology theorem. However, these points are not fully explored or resolved.

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I am reading the proof of the Riemannian Penrose Inequality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_Penrose_inequality) by Huisken and Ilmamen in "The Inverse Mean Curvature Flow and the Riemannian Penrose Inequality" and I was wondering why they restrict their proof to the dimension ##n=3##.

I thought it might be because of the definition of the Geroch-Hawking mass, or the monotonicity of such a mass, and I was told that it works only in dimension ##n=3## because the Geroch-Hawking mass monotonicity formula relies on the Gauss-Bonnet Theorem. But the latter can be generalized to higher dimensions (for an even dimension), right (wikipedia: Generalized Gauss-Bonnet Theorem)?

Then which argument restricts their proof to ##n=3##?
 
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It seems unlikely to make sense for n=2, since the motivation had to do with black holes, which don't exist in 2+1 dimensions.

It may be that it holds for n>3, but with a trivial change in the geometrical factor of ##16\pi##. Have you tried working out the case of the 4+1-dimensional Schwarzschild spacetime?
 
bcrowell said:
It seems unlikely to make sense for n=2, since the motivation had to do with black holes, which don't exist in 2+1 dimensions.

It may be that it holds for n>3, but with a trivial change in the geometrical factor of ##16\pi##. Have you tried working out the case of the 4+1-dimensional Schwarzschild spacetime?
Thank you for your answer! The proof was generalized to higher dimensions, up to ##n=8## by Bray. But my question is about the Huisken and Ilmanen proof. I know there proof was restricted to dimension ##n=3## due to an argument linked to the Geroch monotonicity. I think it is linked to the fact that the Euler characteristic has to be less or equal than 2. Is that something that is valid only in dimension 3 ? Perhaps coming from the Hawking topology Theorem ? I am still looking into this !
 
bcrowell said:
It seems unlikely to make sense for n=2, since the motivation had to do with black holes, which don't exist in 2+1 dimensions.

It may be that it holds for n>3, but with a trivial change in the geometrical factor of ##16\pi##. Have you tried working out the case of the 4+1-dimensional Schwarzschild spacetime?

There's a black hole solution in 3 dimensions (it does require a negative cosmological constant) http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9204099
 
jkl71 said:
There's a black hole solution in 3 dimensions (it does require a negative cosmological constant) http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9204099

But that wouldn't be asymptotically flat, would it?
 
bcrowell said:
But that wouldn't be asymptotically flat, would it?

No, but I was only addressing the existence of 3-D black holes, not the inequality
 

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