Riesz representation theorem example

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The discussion revolves around the Riesz representation theorem, specifically focusing on examples of bounded linear functionals on Lp spaces. Participants explore the nature of these functionals and the conditions under which they can be represented as integrals involving functions from Lq spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses understanding that bounded linear functionals on Lp can be represented as integrals of the form ∫fg, where g is in Lq, but struggles to find an example of such a functional.
  • The same participant proposes T(f(x)) = f(1) as a candidate for a bounded linear functional on L2, asserting its linearity.
  • Concerns are raised about the boundedness of T, particularly regarding the relationship between |f(1)| and ||f||2.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that |f(1)| must be smaller than ||f||2, suggesting that f could be unbounded at certain points while still being in L2.
  • A participant acknowledges the potential for f to not be in L2 and suggests considering Schauder bases to generate linear functionals that are not integral operators.
  • One participant expresses a desire to better understand the functions that belong to various Lp spaces, indicating a need for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the boundedness of the proposed functional or the specific examples of bounded linear functionals. Multiple viewpoints regarding the nature of Lp spaces and the Riesz representation theorem are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and properties of bounded linear functionals, particularly in relation to specific examples and the implications of the Riesz representation theorem.

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Readers interested in functional analysis, particularly those studying the properties of Lp spaces and the Riesz representation theorem, may find this discussion relevant.

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My current understanding of the Riesz representation theorem is that it is useful since it tells you what all bounded linear functionals on Lp look like. They look like the integral of fg where g is some function in Lq. So, I was trying to think of an example of a bounded linear functional on an Lp space (1 <= p < infinity) that didn't look like the integral of fg where g is some function in Lq, and then find it's "riesz representation" --

I had a hard time thinking of a bounded linear functional, mostly because I'm still unsteady about the concept of "bounded" in this context. But I'm pretty sure that for f(x) in L2, T(f(x)) = f(1) would be a bounded linear functional on L2. T(af(x)+bh(x)) = af(1)+bh(1)= T(af(x)) +T(bh(x)), so it is linear. Now is it bounded? That is where I'm stuck.

||T|| = sup |f(1)|/||f||2

I don't know what to make of the numerator. It's smaller than the denominator? So ||T|| <= 1 and it is bounded (?) That means there must be a function g in L2 (I choose L2 since conjugate indicies are confusing otherwise) with T(f(x)) = integral [fg]. OK. What is g? That is where I'm stuck again.
 
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Are you sure that |f(1)| has to be smaller than the area under the curve y = |f(x)|^2?
 
Oh drat. I guess it could blow up at 1 and still be in L2. f(x) = 1/[x^3(x-1)] is in L2. So I need a new BOUNDED linear functional...
 
I think that f isn't in L2, but I'm nitpicking because you clearly have the right idea.


Alas, I can only think of one way of producing linear functionals that aren't immediately integral operators -- finding a (Schauder) basis, and considering the corresponding coordinate functionals.
 
Thanks. (Schauder) basis is s bit beyond what I'm ready for. I think it will be productive to spend some time thinking about what functions are in what Lp spaces. (I'm still rather bad at that.)
 

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