River Velocity Calculation with Kinematics Equations

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a river using kinematics equations based on a boat's travel times and distances downstream and upstream. Participants are attempting to determine the river's flow speed by analyzing the boat's velocities in both directions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are converting time and distance into consistent units and applying kinematic equations. There are attempts to derive the river's velocity from the boat's speeds calculated for downstream and upstream travel. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the assumptions made regarding the boat's velocity.

Discussion Status

Multiple approaches to the problem are being explored, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the correctness of their results. There is no explicit consensus on the correct answer, and some participants suggest alternative methods, including vector algebra, to analyze the situation further.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the boat travels at a constant velocity and are questioning whether gravity plays a role in the calculations. There is also mention of the need for verification of results and the possibility of needing to apply vector principles.

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A boat takes 2.6 hours to travel 28.43 km down a river, then 5.5 hours to return. How fast is the river flowing?

So we want to find the velocity the river has.

I'm not sure I even started this right.
First I converted 2.6 hours to seconds = 9360 s
Then 5.5 hours to seconds = 19800 s
And 28.43 km to meters = 28430 m

I then used the linear uniform motion equation (xf = xi + vi*t). Am I right in doing this, there is no gravity, correct?

28430 = vi*9360s ---> vi = 3.037 m/s
28430 = vi*19800 ---> vi = 1.436 m/s

This doesn't seem right at all, I don't think I'm understanding the question completely.
 
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Is the answer 0.80 m/s @2.88 km/h?
 
Tried it already, incorrect.
 
How about 0.157 m/s?
 
let x be the speed of boat and let y be the speed of river...

28.43/x+y=2.6 >>x+y=10.93 [downstream]

28.43/x-y=5.5>>x-y=5.18 [upstream]

>>2x=16.11

>>x=8.05 km/hr=2.236 m/s

>>y=2.88 km/hr=.8 m/s

verify and tell if the answer is correct or not..

explanation shall be done later...
 
physixguru, I've tried 0.8 m/s as the answer to the velocity of the river and it is incorrect.
 
Hi, I am new here but i think I've got the answer to this, this is assuming the boat is traveling at a constant velocity.

So far the two values youve worked out are the same as mine(im not familiar with the equation (xf = xi + vi*t) i just used v=s/t )

What we've worked out is the velocity of the boat up and downstream, not the river itself.

v1 = 3.03 m/s
v2 = 1.43 m/s

So would the Resultant velocity of the River not just be this

vr = v1 - v2

vr = 3.03 - 1.46

vr= 1.6 m/s

Try looking at it like this perhaps


3.03 m/s
------------------------->
<---------
1.43m/s

(Could someone else verify this though? :P)
 
if the answer above is incorrect then...u shall have to apply vector algebra equations to solve the problem...directions... i mean...
 

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