Rocket subject to linear resistive force -- two methods

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The discussion revolves around a rocket subject to a linear resistive force, specifically examining the relationship between the rocket's speed and its mass as it ejects mass at a constant rate. The participants are analyzing the application of a specific equation to derive the speed of the rocket under these conditions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods of integrating the equations related to the rocket's motion and mass ejection. There is a focus on comparing results obtained through different integration techniques and questioning the consistency of the exponential terms derived from these integrations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their integration steps and identifying potential mistakes in their calculations. There is a recognition of a possible error in the integration process that may affect the outcome, and some participants express a willingness to review each other's work for clarity.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific methods or formats for presenting their solutions. The original poster's attempt at solving the problem involves integrating with respect to time and mass, while others are checking assumptions about the relationships between variables.

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Homework Statement


Consider a rocket subject to a linear resistive force, $$f = -bv$$, but no other external forces. Use Equation (3.29) in Problem 3.11 to show that if the rocket starts from rest and ejects mass at a constant rate $$k = -\dot{m}$$, then its speed is given by:
$$v = \frac{k}{b}v_{ex}\left[1-\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{b/k}\right]$$

Homework Equations



Equation (3.29) $$m\dot{v} = -\dot{m}v_{ex} + F^{ext}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


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So I had no issues solving this equation when I used the chain rule and took time out of the equation. Basically, since $$\dot{m} = -k$$, we can plug that into equation 3.29, and then we can find through chain rule that $$\dot{v} = \frac{dv}{dm}\frac{dm}{dt} = -k\frac{dv}{dm}$$. This leads to the expected answer. However, it should also work by finding an equation for mass as a function of time and integrating with respect to time. This is where I'm having issues.

$$m(t) = m_{o} - kt$$
$$\left(m_{o}-kt\right)\frac{dv}{dt} = kv_{ex} - bv$$
$$\int_{0}^{t}\frac{dt'}{m_{o}-kt'} = \int_{0}^{v}\frac{dv'}{kv_{ex} - bv'}$$

When I go through this integral, I almost get the solution with the exception of a flipped exponential term.

$$v = \frac{k}{b}v_{ex}\left[1-\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b}\right]$$

I would appreciate any help, thanks!
 
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TaylorLL said:
$$\int_{0}^{t}\frac{dt'}{m_{o}-kt'} = \int_{0}^{v}\frac{dv'}{kv_{ex} - bv'}$$
When I go through this integral, I almost get the solution with the exception of a flipped exponential term.
I don't end up with the exponent flipped. If you want to show your steps of integration, we can check it.
 
TSny said:
I don't end up with the exponent flipped. If you want to show your steps of integration, we can check it.
Okay, so here's my integration:
$$\int_{0}^{t} \frac{dt'}{m_{o} - kt'} = \int_{0}^{v}\frac{dv'}{kv_{ex}-bv'}$$
$$-kln\left(m_{o} - kt'\right)|_{0}^{t} = -bln\left(kv_{ex}-bv'\right)|_{0}^{v}$$
$$-kln\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right) = -bln\left(1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}\right)$$
$$\frac{k}{b}ln\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right) = ln\left(1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}\right)$$
$$ln\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b} = ln\left(1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}\right)$$
$$\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b} = 1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}$$
$$v = \frac{kv_{ex}}{b}\left[1 - \left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b}\right]$$

As you can see, I end up with an exponential term of $$k/b$$ rather than $$b/k$$
 
TaylorLL said:
Okay, so here's my integration:
$$\int_{0}^{t} \frac{dt'}{m_{o} - kt'} = \int_{0}^{v}\frac{dv'}{kv_{ex}-bv'}$$
$$-kln\left(m_{o} - kt'\right)|_{0}^{t} = -bln\left(kv_{ex}-bv'\right)|_{0}^{v}$$
$$-kln\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right) = -bln\left(1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}\right)$$
$$\frac{k}{b}ln\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right) = ln\left(1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}\right)$$
$$ln\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b} = ln\left(1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}\right)$$
$$\left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b} = 1 - \frac{bv}{kv_{ex}}$$
$$v = \frac{kv_{ex}}{b}\left[1 - \left(\frac{m}{m_{o}}\right)^{k/b}\right]$$

As you can see, I end up with an exponential term of $$k/b$$ rather than $$b/k$$
WAIT, wow, that was a stupid integration mistake.
This
$$-kln\left(m_{o} - kt'\right)|_{0}^{t} = -bln\left(kv_{ex}-bv'\right)|_{0}^{v}$$
should have been
$$-\frac{1}{k}ln\left(m_{o} - kt'\right)|_{0}^{t} = -\frac{1}{b}ln\left(kv_{ex}-bv'\right)|_{0}^{v}$$
 
TaylorLL said:
This
$$-kln\left(m_{o} - kt'\right)|_{0}^{t} = -bln\left(kv_{ex}-bv'\right)|_{0}^{v}$$
should have been
$$-\frac{1}{k}ln\left(m_{o} - kt'\right)|_{0}^{t} = -\frac{1}{b}ln\left(kv_{ex}-bv'\right)|_{0}^{v}$$
Yes. That should fix it.
 

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