Rocketeer to the rescue: kinematics

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a student dropped from the CN Tower and a character, the Rocketeer, who attempts to catch the student. The problem involves calculating the minimum height at which the Rocketeer must catch the student to ensure safety, considering factors like initial velocity, acceleration, and time of fall.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the scenario where a student is dropped from a height of 553 meters with an initial velocity of zero, and the Rocketeer arrives 5 seconds later to catch the student.
  • Another participant introduces a kinematic relationship to analyze the situation, suggesting that the acceleration of the Rocketeer and student together should not exceed 5g.
  • There is a reference to a claim that the distance fallen in free fall is one sixth of the tower height, but the reasoning behind this is questioned.
  • Further calculations are presented, including the application of kinematic equations to find the final velocity of the student before being caught.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between initial velocity, height, and time, leading to the conclusion that the height at which the Rocketeer catches the student is one sixth of the tower height.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasoning behind the one sixth height claim, and there are differing approaches to the calculations involved. Some calculations appear to contradict others, indicating unresolved aspects of the problem.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the initial conditions and the application of kinematic equations. The discussion includes various mathematical steps that may not be fully resolved or agreed upon.

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A determined student is dropped from the CN Tower in Toronto, 553 in, and fall librernente. Its initial velocity is zero. Rocketeer arrives 5.00 seconds after and it fall of the tower to save him. Rocketeer is has a velocity down of magnitude vo. In order to avoid injury. Rocketeer must catch at student at a height so that it can stop and arrive at ground at zero speed. the acceleration up to succeed comes from the Rocketeer rocket. which turns right when caught the student; before. This free fall. Not to hurt students, the magnitude of the acceleration of the Rocketeer and student to go down together should be no more than 5 times g. what is the minimum height on the ground which Rocketeer must catch the student?book said the distance fallen in free fall is 5 times the distance from the ground when caught and so the distance is one sixth the toower height or 92.2 m
But it says so without no calculation
I don't have any idea of where the 1/6 comes from
Can anyone help me??'
thanks
 
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Re: physics 2

I moved this thread as it is algebra based kinematics and gave it a descriptive title.

Let's begin with the kinematic relationship:

$$a=\frac{v_i^2-v_f^2}{2\left(y_i-y_f \right)}$$

and apply it to the period of time the student and the Rocketeer are slowing down. We are told $a=5g,\,v_f=0,\,y_f=0$ and so what do we have?
 
leprofece said:
A determined student is dropped from the CN Tower in Toronto, 553 in, and fall librernente. Its initial velocity is zero. Rocketeer arrives 5.00 seconds after and it fall of the tower to save him. Rocketeer is has a velocity down of magnitude vo. In or...

Asked before http://mathhelpboards.com/advanced-applied-mathematics-16/checking-work-2-71-university-physics-warning-there-lot-5350.html, here, here and here and probably many other places.

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Re: physics 2

MarkFL said:
I moved this thread as it is algebra based kinematics and gave it a descriptive title.

Let's begin with the kinematic relationship:

$$a=\frac{v_i^2-v_f^2}{2\left(y_i-y_f \right)}$$

and apply it to the period of time the student and the Rocketeer are slowing down. We are told $a=5g,\,v_f=0,\,y_f=0$ and so what do we have?

5g = 0-vf2/2(0-553)
5(10)(1106)= vf2
sqrt(55300) = vf

vf = 235,15 m/s

if plug it into y = vo2/(2.(5g)) I don't get the right one so how?
 
Let's begin with the kinematic relationship:

$$a=\frac{v_i^2-v_f^2}{2\left(y_i-y_f \right)}$$

and apply it to the period of time the student and the Rocketeer are slowing down. We are told $a=5g,\,v_f=0,\,y_f=0$ and so we have:

$$5g=\frac{v_i^2}{2y_i}$$

Now, we want to solve for $y_i$, the height at which the Rocketeer catches the student.

$$10y_i=\frac{v_i^2}{g}$$

Now, we also know that $$v_i=gt$$ and so we have:

$$10y_i=gt^2$$

Let $h$ be the height of the tower, and we also know that $$y_i=h-\frac{gt^2}{2}\,\therefore\,gt^2=2\left(h-y_i\right)$$ which gives us:

$$10y_i=2\left(h-y_i\right)$$

$$5y_i=h-y_i$$

$$y_i=\frac{h}{6}$$
 

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