Roots of a fourth degree polynomial

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The discussion revolves around the equation z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0, which is a polynomial equation in the complex number set ℂ. Participants are exploring the roots of this fourth-degree polynomial and specifically discussing the sum of two of its roots from a given set of alternatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the coefficients of the polynomial and the sums of the roots, noting that the sum of all roots should equal 0. Some suggest using a substitution to transform the quartic into a quadratic equation, while others explore the implications of the roots' properties. Questions arise regarding the necessity of taking square roots of the derived values and the simplification of complex expressions.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with various methods being proposed to approach the problem. Some participants have provided insights into using polar coordinates for simplification, while others are considering the geometric interpretation of the roots. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but several productive directions have been suggested.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration. There is also a focus on ensuring that the methods discussed align with the requirements of the problem without directly providing solutions.

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Homework Statement



z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0 is an equation in ℂ.

Which of the following alternatives is the sum of two roots of this equation:

(i) 2√3; (ii) -(√3)/2; (iii) (√3)/2; (iv) -i; (v) i/2

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The Attempt at a Solution



All I know is that the sum of all roots should equal 0, because that's the coefficient in front of the second highest degree term. And that the sum of the roots squared should equal 2, because that is the coefficient of the second highest degree term plus -2 times the third highest degree term.
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:

Homework Statement



z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0 is an equation in ℂ.
The equation is quadratic in form. Let x = z2 and use the quadratic formula to find values of x (= z2).
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Which of the following alternatives is the sum of two roots of this equation:

(i) 2√3; (ii) -(√3)/2; (iii) (√3)/2; (iv) -i; (v) i/2

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



All I know is that the sum of all roots should equal 0, because that's the coefficient in front of the second highest degree term.
No, the coefficient of the z2 term is -1, not 0.
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
And that the sum of the roots squared should equal 2, because that is the coefficient of the second highest degree term plus -2 times the third highest degree term.
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:

Homework Statement



z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0 is an equation in ℂ.

Which of the following alternatives is the sum of two roots of this equation:

(i) 2√3; (ii) -(√3)/2; (iii) (√3)/2; (iv) -i; (v) i/2

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



All I know is that the sum of all roots should equal 0, because that's the coefficient in front of the second highest degree term. And that the sum of the roots squared should equal 2, because that is the coefficient of the second highest degree term plus -2 times the third highest degree term.

It is a quadratic equation for z2. Solve it, then take the square roots of the solutions.


ehild
 
Okay, so I said x = z^2 in z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0 and solved it as if it were a quadratic:

x^2 - x + 1 = 0 <=> (x - (1/2))^2 + 3/4 = 0

(x - (1/2))^2 = -3/4 <=> x - 1/2 = ±√(-3/4)

x = ±√(3)i/2 + 1/2

Now I can just square the roots of the equation for x and I get the roots of the equations for z?

Wait, ehild said I should take the square root of the roots. Why!?
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Okay, so I said x = z^2 in z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0 and solved it as if it were a quadratic:

x^2 - x + 1 = 0 <=> (x - (1/2))^2 + 3/4 = 0

(x - (1/2))^2 = -3/4 <=> x - 1/2 = ±√(-3/4)

x = ±√(3)i/2 + 1/2

Now I can just square the roots of the equation for x and I get the roots of the equations for z?
Think about what you're doing. If you square x, you'll get z4. You want z.
 
Wow, thanks! I feel kinda of stupid now.. Anyway, I got to z = √(±√(3)i/2 + 1/2). Which means the sum of two roots of the equation could equal √(√(3)i/2 + 1/2) + √(-√(3)i/2 + 1/2). Any tips on how to simplify this to a point where it looks like one of the answers in the original question?
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Wow, thanks! I feel kinda of stupid now.. Anyway, I got to z = √(±√(3)i/2 + 1/2).

Which means the sum of two roots of the equation could equal √(√(3)i/2 + 1/2) + √(-√(3)i/2 + 1/2).
I don't know what you did to get the above.
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Any tips on how to simplify this to a point where it looks like one of the answers in the original question?

I think the best way to go is to work with x = 1/2 ± i (√3/2), and write this in polar form, or r(cosθ + i sinθ). Here r = 1, so that simplifies things a bit, and the angles should be pretty easy to calculate. Getting a square root is pretty easy - you just take the square root of the magnitude (r) and divide the angle by 2.

For example, consider the complex number i, which in polar form is 1(cos ##\pi/2## + i sin ##\pi/2##). √i = 1(cos ##\pi/4## + i sin ##\pi/4##) = (√2/2) + (√2/2)i. This is one of the square roots of i. You can verify this by multiplying (√2/2) + (√2/2)i by itself.
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:

Homework Statement



z^4 - z^2 + 1 = 0 is an equation in ℂ.

Which of the following alternatives is the sum of two roots of this equation:

(i) 2√3; (ii) -(√3)/2; (iii) (√3)/2; (iv) -i; (v) i/2

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



All I know is that the sum of all roots should equal 0, because that's the coefficient in front of the second highest degree term. And that the sum of the roots squared should equal 2, because that is the coefficient of the second highest degree term plus -2 times the third highest degree term.

Rather than actually calculating the roots, a much quicker way to do this would be to use the "sum of roots" and "product of roots" formulae for a quadratic. Let two roots of the quartic be [itex]z_1[/itex] and [itex]z_2[/itex].

Then you know that:

[tex]z_1^2 + z_2^2 = 1[/tex]
[tex]z_1^2z_2^2 = 1[/tex]

Now use those equations and figure out what values [itex]{(z_1 + z_2)}^2[/itex] can take, and take the square root of that. There's only one choice that matches.
 
The quartic, z4 - z2 + 1, can be expressed as the product of two quadratics. Because of symmetry we can suppose that they are of the following form, where a and b are real coefficients.

[itex]\displaystyle z^4-z^2+1[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle =(z^2+az+1)(z^2+bz+1)[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle =z^4+(a+b)z^3+(2+ab)z^2+(a+b)z+1[/itex]​

Equating coefficients of powers of z gives a+b=0 and 2+ab=-1.

These can be solved for a & b.
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Wow, thanks! I feel kinda of stupid now.. Anyway, I got to z = √(±√(3)i/2 + 1/2). Which means the sum of two roots of the equation could equal √(√(3)i/2 + 1/2) + √(-√(3)i/2 + 1/2). Any tips on how to simplify this to a point where it looks like one of the answers in the original question?
The existing posts, noting that you don't actually need to find all the roots, are the right way to go. But fwiw, the easiest way to spot the simplification is to look at it geometrically. Where in the plane is 1 + i√3? What is that in (r, θ)?
 
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SammyS said:
The quartic, z4 - z2 + 1, can be expressed as the product of two quadratics. Because of symmetry we can suppose that they are of the following form, where a and b are real coefficients.

[itex]\displaystyle z^4-z^2+1[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle =(z^2+az+1)(z^2+bz+1)[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle =z^4+(a+b)z^3+(2+ab)z^2+(a+b)z+1[/itex]​

Equating coefficients of powers of z gives a+b=0 and 2+ab=-1.

These can be solved for a & b.

If I solve for a and b on those I would get +√3 and -√3 which add up to 0 which is not one of the answers.
Curious3141 said:
Rather than actually calculating the roots, a much quicker way to do this would be to use the "sum of roots" and "product of roots" formulae for a quadratic. Let two roots of the quartic be [itex]z_1[/itex] and [itex]z_2[/itex].

Then you know that:

[tex]z_1^2 + z_2^2 = 1[/tex]
[tex]z_1^2z_2^2 = 1[/tex]

Now use those equations and figure out what values [itex]{(z_1 + z_2)}^2[/itex] can take, and take the square root of that. There's only one choice that matches.

I don't get the last thing. You mean to find the roots of (z^2)^2 - z^2 + 1 = 0 as if they were the roots of a quadratic and then take the square root of those?

EDIT: sorry, I meant find the roots of an equation like x^2 - x + 1 = 0 and take the square root of those!
 
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SammyS said:
The quartic, z4 - z2 + 1, can be expressed as the product of two quadratics. Because of symmetry we can suppose that they are of the following form, where a and b are real coefficients.

[itex]\displaystyle z^4-z^2+1[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle =(z^2+az+1)(z^2+bz+1)[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle =z^4+(a+b)z^3+(2+ab)z^2+(a+b)z+1[/itex]​

Equating coefficients of powers of z gives a+b=0 and 2+ab=-1.

These can be solved for a & b.
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
If I solve for a and b on those I would get +√3 and -√3 which add up to 0 which is not one of the answers.
[itex]\displaystyle \sqrt{3}\ \ \text{ and }\ -\sqrt{3}\[/itex] are not the roots of anything in this problem. They're the coefficients of z in the respective quadratics which factor the given quartic in this problem.

So, find the roots of each of those quadratics:
[itex]\displaystyle (z^2+\sqrt{3}z+1)\ \ \text{ and }\ (z^2-\sqrt{3}z+1)\ .[/itex]​
This ia not as elegant a solution as those offered by others, but it does work.

Once you get the answer this way, go back and see how the suggestions of others also lead you to the answer.
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Wow, thanks! I feel kinda of stupid now.. Anyway, I got to z = √(±√(3)i/2 + 1/2). Which means the sum of two roots of the equation could equal √(√(3)i/2 + 1/2) + √(-√(3)i/2 + 1/2). Any tips on how to simplify this to a point where it looks like one of the answers in the original question?

It is correct, the roots are the square roots of either [itex]1/2+i\sqrt{3}/2[/itex] or [itex]1/2-i\sqrt{3}/2[/itex] . You know that a complex number can be written in the form r(cos(θ)+isin(θ)). What are r and theta?
You have learned something about the roots of a complex number. What was it?

ehild
 
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Yeah, the roots are:

+ cos (π/6) + sin(π/6)i;
+ cos (π/6) – sin(π/6)i;
– cos (π/6) + sin(π/6)i;
– cos (π/6) – sin(π/6)i;

Which when added give ±√3 or ±i.

But according to what the others have said, I didn't need to actually find the roots in the first place. I can see how the other ways (Curious3141's, SammyS', Mark44's) to get the roots would work. I just don't see how I could have used those properties of quadratics to find the sums.
 
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Curious' method gives the sum of roots directly.

From the quadratic equation for z2 you get that z12+z22=1 and z12z22=1 (Vieta's formulas). The second equation means that z1z2=±1.
(z1+z2)2=z12+z22+2z1z2=1±2.

ehild
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Yeah, the roots are:

+ cos (π/6) + sin(π/6)i;
+ cos (π/6) – sin(π/6)i;
– cos (π/6) + sin(π/6)i;
– cos (π/6) – sin(π/6)i;

Which when added give ±√3 or ±i.

But according to what the others have said, I didn't need to actually find the roots in the first place. I can see how the other ways (Curious3141's, SammyS', Mark44's) to get the roots would work. I just don't see how I could have used those properties of quadratics to find the sums.
Yes, this is correct. (Well, the sum can also be zero.)

As for my method, it did involve finding all of the roots. As follows:

[itex]\displaystyle z^4-z^2+1[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle =(z^2+\sqrt{3}z+1)(z^2-\sqrt{3}z+1)=0[/itex]​
So that [itex]\displaystyle \ z^2+\sqrt{3}z+1=0\ \ \text{ or }\ z^2-\sqrt{3}z+1=0\ .[/itex]

Using the quadratic formula to solve those gives:
[itex]\displaystyle z=\frac{-\sqrt{3}\pm i }{2}\ , \ \ z=\frac{\sqrt{3}\pm i }{2}\ .[/itex]​
 

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