MHB Roots of Equation: y^3+6y^2+11y+6 & 12y+8

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The discussion focuses on finding the roots of two cubic equations: y^3+6y^2+11y+6=0 and y^3+6y^2+12y+8=0. The rational roots theorem is applied to the first equation, revealing -1, -2, and -3 as roots through systematic testing. For the second equation, a quick subtraction method suggests y = -2 as a root, but there is debate about whether both equations should be treated simultaneously. Participants emphasize the need to find all roots for both equations rather than just one. The conversation highlights the importance of thoroughness in solving polynomial equations.
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1)y^3+6y^2+11y+6=0
2)y^3+6y^2+12y+8=0
find it's root and tell me how you obtained it.
 
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dansingh said:
1)y^3+6y^2+11y+6=0
2)y^3+6y^2+12y+8=0
find it's root and tell me how you obtained it.

I'll work the first one, and then see if you can use the same procedure to work the second one.

1.) Let:

$$P(y)=y^3+6y^2+11y+6$$

Now, the rational roots theorem tells us that if $P$ has any rational roots, they must be come from a list of numbers generated by taking all of the factors of the constant term and dividing them by all of the factors of the leading coefficient. Since the leading coefficient is 1, we need only look at the factors of 6. Since all of the terms in $P$ have a " sign in front of them, we know any rational roots must be negative so that the terms with odd exponents will be negative and will cancel with the positive terms with even exponents. So, we look at this list as possible candidates:

$$y\in\{-1,-2,-3,-6\}$$

Proceeding systematically, we find:

$$P(-1)=(-1)^3+6(-1)^2+11(-1)+6=-1+6-11+6=0$$ and so we know -1 is a root.

$$P(-2)=(-2)^3+6(-2)^2+11(-2)+6=-8+24-22+6=0$$ and so we know -2 is a root.

$$P(-3)=(-3)^3+6(-3)^2+11(-3)+6=-27+54-33+6=0$$ and so we know -3 is a root.

Because a cubic polynomial can have no more than 3 roots, we are done. We can now state:

$$P(y)=y^3+6y^2+11y+6=(y+1)(y+2)(y+3)$$

If we had only found 1 rational root, then we could use polynomial division to obtain the other roots from the resulting quadratic quotient (using the quadratic formula or completing the square).
 
y^3+6y^2+11y+6=0
y^3+6y^2+12y+8=0

Well, if I got that on a timed test,
I'd simply subtract the equations
to get y+2 = 0, so y = -2

Would you give me a pass mark, Mark :)
 
Wilmer said:
y^3+6y^2+11y+6=0
y^3+6y^2+12y+8=0

Well, if I got that on a timed test,
I'd simply subtract the equations
to get y+2 = 0, so y = -2

Would you give me a pass mark, Mark :)

I don't think the two equations are simultaneous (even though the OP said "find its root" as if the two equations were one entity)...so if my interpretation is correct and unless you used this in lieu of the rational roots theorem to find a root as a starting point for both, I would have to deduct some points for not finding ALL roots of both equations. :)
 
MarkFL said:
I don't think the two equations are simultaneous (even though the OP said "find its root" as if the two equations were one entity)...so if my interpretation is correct and unless you used this in lieu of the rational roots theorem to find a root as a starting point for both, I would have to deduct some points for not finding ALL roots of both equations. :)
YA! On a timed test, that's all I'd want.
 
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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