Rotating Frames of Reference question.

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The problem involves a rotating frame of reference, specifically a person on a merry-go-round holding a rubber stopper. The scenario includes analyzing forces acting on both the person and the stopper from different reference frames, including the merry-go-round and the Earth.

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  • Participants discuss drawing free body diagrams (FBDs) for both the person and the stopper from various reference frames. There are attempts to relate centripetal forces to gravitational forces to determine angles and tensions in the string.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on avoiding unnecessary forces like centrifugal and Coriolis forces, suggesting a focus on centripetal acceleration equations. Others express confusion about the underlying logic of the forces involved, indicating a need for further clarification.

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There is mention of a specific mass for the stopper and a defined radius from the center of the merry-go-round, as well as a time period for one complete revolution. The discussion reflects an exploration of forces without reaching a consensus on the reasoning behind the calculations.

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Homework Statement


You are standing on a slowly rotating merry-go-round, turning counterclockwise as viewed from above. You are holding a string from which is suspended a rubber stopper of mass 45g. You are 2.9m from the center of the merry-go-round. You take 4.1s to complete one revolution.

A)Draw FBD of yourself in reference frame of the merry-go-round and earth(assuming to have no rotation).

B)Draw FBD of stopper in Earth's reference frame of a person looking eastward behind you.

C) Draw FBD of the stopper in your reference frame.

D) What angle does the string make with the vertical?

E) What is the magnitude of tension in the string.

Homework Equations



a_c= v^2/r

F_c=(mv^2)/r

Centripetal acceleration is also

a_c= ((4π^2 r)/T^2)

Centripetal force is also

F_c= (M)((4π^2 r)/T^2)

F= ma (Newton's second law)

The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what I attempted so far. Image is pretty big Please go to this url.

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Thank you in advance.
 
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You don't need to use centrifugal force, and certainly not coriolis force, which only applies to something with velocity. Just use the equations for centripetal acceleration to find out how much horizontal force there and compare it with gravity's vertical force to get your angle and tension.
 
I got the correct answer using what you told me, but I fail to understand the logic. Help would be appreciated.
 
All the points on the outer edge of the circle have a centripetal force that is pointing towards the center of the circle. So the string you are holding has some force pushing it towards the center (you don't go towards the center because friction keeps you on the circle), and gravity has a force pulling the string down (you don't go down because the circle pushes back up on you).
 

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