Rotating Shapes: Length of X-Axis at Time t

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the cross-sectional length of rotating shapes, specifically focusing on circles and their intersection with the x-axis as they rotate about different pivot points. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to the geometry of rotating shapes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a circle rotating about the origin and expresses interest in the length of the x-axis enclosed by the circle at a given time t, proposing a polar coordinate expression for this length.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem can be reframed as finding the intersection of a rotating line with the circle.
  • A third participant refines this idea by discussing the normal to the line and how it intersects the circle, presenting a derived formula for the chord length based on the circle's height and the parameters of rotation.
  • This participant notes specific cases for the derived formula, including conditions where the height above the origin affects the validity of the equation.
  • One participant questions the nature of the normal to a line, prompting further clarification on the geometric relationships involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing views on the relationship between the normal to a line and the intersection with the circle, indicating some level of disagreement or confusion regarding these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the implications of these geometric relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the height of the pivot point and its relationship to the radius of the circle, as well as the definitions of the geometric terms involved. The mathematical steps leading to the derived formula are not fully explored or resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying geometry, physics, or mathematics, particularly in the context of rotational dynamics and geometric intersections.

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As a means of curiosity, I am working on a problem involving the rotation of various shapes. The thing that I am interested in is the cross-sectional length of the shapes as they cross the x axis. So imagine that you have a circle with a pivot point at its bottom. You then rotate it about the origin. I'm interested in the length of the x-axis that is enclosed in the circle at a time t. This turns out to be easy as it can be expressed in polar coordinates as r=2(radius)sin(ωt).

That's not too bad, but what if the circle is rotating about a point that is h units above the origin? Clearly where h≥d, it never touches, but what if h≤d? How can we think about this? Further, what if we want to consider different shapes?
 
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It is the same problem as rotating a line and finding where it intersects the circle.
 
Simon Bridge said:
It is the same problem as rotating a line and finding where it intersects the circle.

Close. It is the same as rotating a line and finding how the normal of that line intersects the circle. I worked on this quite a bit today and I figured out the formula for a circle. See, I started by finding an equation for the chord length with respect to the circle's height (that is the length of the line that is normal to the chord and extending to the bound of the circle). Then I found an equation relating ωt, the fixed height above the origin and this varying height. Putting all of that together, I found the equation for the length to be 2\sqrt{r<sup>2</sup>-(rsin(ωt)-h)<sup>2</sup>}

If h is set to 0, then the equation becomes 2rcos(ωt), which is what I expect. If h is greater than or equal to 2r, then the equation becomes undefined, which is what should be expected. I am pretty happy with this result and will now have to work with some different shapes.
 
Isn't the normal to a line just another line?
 

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