Rotation curve of a gas disk in an elliptical galaxy

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of the rotation curve of a gas disk in an elliptical galaxy, with a focus on the implications for dark matter existence. Participants explore theoretical calculations versus actual measurements, the nature of elliptical galaxies, and the challenges in plotting rotation curves without complete mass data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sofia introduces her project aimed at demonstrating dark matter existence through the comparison of theoretical and measured rotation curves of a gas disk in an elliptical galaxy, using the Jaffe profile for mass distribution.
  • Some participants question the validity of a "rotation curve" for elliptical galaxies, noting that they are pressure-supported and suggesting that Sofia may be conflating characteristics of spiral galaxies with elliptical ones.
  • One participant mentions that elliptical galaxies, like NGC 5018, may contain rotating gas disks but emphasizes the need to consider interactions with other galaxies when measuring properties.
  • Another participant suggests that to predict the rotation curve accurately, one must account for the mass of stars and gas, which may underpredict the velocity, allowing for the inference of a dark matter profile.
  • Sofia expresses uncertainty about how to plot the predicted rotation curve without knowing the total mass and scale radius, seeking assistance from others.
  • A participant recommends considering spiral galaxies as a simpler example for analysis and cites a textbook for further reference on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the applicability of rotation curves to elliptical galaxies, with some asserting that such curves do not exist in the same sense as in spiral galaxies. The discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to analyze the rotation curve in the context of dark matter.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of elliptical galaxies and the implications for dark matter, as well as the dependence on specific definitions and measurements that have not been fully established in the discussion.

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rotation curve of a gas disk in an elliptical galaxy
Hello, I'm Sofia and new here! I'm working on a project in which I'm trying to show that dark matter exists. It's about an elliptical galaxy with a rotating gas disk.

What I'm doing is comparing the theoretical calculation of the rotation curve with the actual measured rotation curve. It should be that the gas disc is actually rotating faster than predicted and therefore there is more mass there than you can see. I have already found a formula for the rotation curve, but I'm not sure if it makes sense.

I used the Jaffe profile for the mass distribution. I also don't know how it is possible to plot this predicted rotation curve without knowing the total mass and the scale radius "a". I would be very happy if someone could help me with this!
 
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Can we back up a bit? Ellipticals are pressure-supported, so a "rotation curve" in the sense of spirals really doesn't exist. When you describe a "rotating gas disk" it sounds like you are talking about spirals with the elliptical in the role of the bulge.

Can you give an example or two of such galaxies?
 
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Oh, and one other thing: ellipticals are thought to have originated through mergers. It is far from clear how much, if any, of the dark matter component remains.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Can we back up a bit? Ellipticals are pressure-supported, so a "rotation curve" in the sense of spirals really doesn't exist. When you describe a "rotating gas disk" it sounds like you are talking about spirals with the elliptical in the role of the bulge.

Can you give an example or two of such galaxies?
For example the elliptical galaxy NGC 5018 contains a rotating gas disk.
 
Thanks.

5018 is interacting with 5022, so you need to ensure that you are measuring what you think you are. I looked it up, and 5018 is quite the oddball. It's UV-poor, which implies little to no star formation, yet there have been three SNe seen in it.

You need to know the mass to predict the rotation curve. What you can do is look at the stars and the gas and show that that underpredicts the velocity. which would then allow you to invert the process and trace out the DM profile.
 
Sofia Piol said:
TL;DR Summary: rotation curve of a gas disk in an elliptical galaxy

Hello, I'm Sofia and new here! I'm working on a project in which I'm trying to show that dark matter exists. It's about an elliptical galaxy with a rotating gas disk.

What I'm doing is comparing the theoretical calculation of the rotation curve with the actual measured rotation curve. It should be that the gas disc is actually rotating faster than predicted and therefore there is more mass there than you can see. I have already found a formula for the rotation curve, but I'm not sure if it makes sense.

I used the Jaffe profile for the mass distribution. I also don't know how it is possible to plot this predicted rotation curve without knowing the total mass and the scale radius "a". I would be very happy if someone could help me with this!
Is there a reason not to use the much easier example of a spiral galaxy?

Also, if you are looking for a reference to cite, rather than just some people on the Internet, the go-to textbook for this topic is Galactic Dynamics by Binney & Tremaine, which is currently in its second edition. The hard copy is pricey at a bit more than $100 USD (although you could get a copy for free from many college libraries or via interlibrary loan), but the e-textbook version is a lot cheaper.
 

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