Rotational Kinematics: Slowing Down Turntable

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The problem involves a turntable, modeled as a uniform disc, that is initially spinning at a constant frequency and then slows down to a stop due to constant angular deceleration. The questions focus on determining the angular acceleration and the total angle spun during the deceleration, expressed in terms of the initial frequency and time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate angular acceleration to angular velocity but expresses uncertainty in their calculations. Some participants suggest using kinematic formulas analogous to linear motion to simplify the problem. Questions arise about the linear motion counterpart for frequency.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some finding the analogy to linear motion helpful. There is recognition of the challenge posed by the concepts of angular acceleration and frequency, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a struggle with the application of angular motion concepts and their relationship to linear motion, indicating a potential gap in understanding that is being addressed through analogy.

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Homework Statement



A turntable is a uniform disc of mass m and radius R. The turntable is initially spinning clockwise when looked down on from above at a constant frequency f_0. The motor is turned off at t=0 and the turntable slows to a stop in time t with constant angular deceleration.

a. What is the magnitude of the angular acceleration of the turntable? Express your answer in terms of f_0 and t

b. What is the magnitude of the total angle Δθ in radians that the turntable spins while slowing down? Express your answer in terms of f_0 and t

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the initial angular velocity is = 2 * pi * f_0

I'm not very good at maths but I think the solution to part a is derived from differentiating the equation for angular velocity. I did that and got my answer as angular acceleration = - 2 * pi * (f_0)^2 which is wrong. I'm not sure where I went wrong though. As for part b, I tried integrating the equation of angular velocity but I'm getting a wrong answer as well?
 
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You can get away without using any calculus if you make use of the usual kinematic formulas. All the formulas for linear motion have their counterparts for angular motion. They are even of the same form, but use angular variables instead of linear ones.

Take for example the formula for velocity from rest when there is a constant acceleration: v = at. Its angular motion analog is ##ω = \alpha t##. All the other basic kinematic formulas can be similarly "translated".

Imagine that the same problem was given to you in linear form: "An object of mass m is moving to the right on a level surface with initial velocity vo. At time to its propulsion is switched off and It slows to a stop after time t with constant acceleration. What's the magnitude of the acceleration? How far will the object travel while it is slowing down?" How would you go about solving that problem? What formulas would you use?
 
That's a really useful simplification, thanks.
However, what would be the linear motion counterpart for frequency?
 
hb20007 said:
That's a really useful simplification, thanks.
However, what would be the linear motion counterpart for frequency?

Frequency is a sort of "lap counter" or "event counter" form of angular frequency; ##ω = 2 \pi f##. When dealing with angular motion we usually convert f's to ω's as soon as possible :smile: It's ω that has velocity as its analog.
 
Thanks once again. The question actually wasn't difficult at all but I struggled with it because I expected it to be so. Once you showed me how to eliminate the concepts of angular acceleration and frequency I could think clearly and I just got the answer
 
hb20007 said:
Thanks once again. The question actually wasn't difficult at all but I struggled with it because I expected it to be so. Once you showed me how to eliminate the concepts of angular acceleration and frequency I could think clearly and I just got the answer

Excellent news :smile: It can often be helpful to look at "new" concepts from the point of view of ones you've already mastered.
 

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