Rotational motion roller coaster problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a rotational motion problem related to a roller coaster. For part A, the normal force (Fn) was calculated as 24,900 N using the equation Fn = (mv²)/r + mg, where m is 500 kg, v is 20 m/s, and r is 10 m. In part B, the normal force is determined to be zero when the vehicle leaves the track, leading to the equation Fg - Fn = (mv²)/r, resulting in a speed (v) of 12.1 m/s at that point. The importance of including units in calculations was also emphasized.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


ƩF = ma = (mv2) / r


The Attempt at a Solution



For part A:
Fn - Fg = (mv2) / r
Fn = ((mv2) / r ) + mg
Fn = (500x20^2) / 10 + 500x9.8
Fn = 24900

This seems too high to be true. But I'm unsure of what I did wrong. I know the normal force is the force of which the track is acting on the car.

For part B:
I think it is just 20m/s but I'm not sure. I know an object traveling in a circle has the most speed when it's at the bottom of the circle.

Thanks for the help in advance!
 
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Part A looks correct.

For part B, set up equations similar to part A and think about what happens to the value of Fn when the vehicle leaves the track.
 
TSny said:
Part A looks correct.

For part B, set up equations similar to part A and think about what happens to the value of Fn when the vehicle leaves the track.

Hmm...

I think Fn would equal 0 when the vehicle leaves the track. So I use the same equation as part A except I set Fn to 0 and solve for v?
 
joe426 said:
Hmm...

I think Fn would equal 0 when the vehicle leaves the track. So I use the same equation as part A except I set Fn to 0 and solve for v?

Yes Fn will be zero. Good. But if you use the same equation you will end up taking the square root of a negative number (oops). Set up a correct similar equation using a new free body diagram for point B
 
TSny said:
Yes Fn will be zero. Good. But if you use the same equation you will end up taking the square root of a negative number (oops). Set up a correct similar equation using a new free body diagram for point B

Fg - Fn = (mv2) / r
(mgr / m)1/2 = v
(500x9.8x15 / 500)1/2 = 12.1

V = 12.1
 
Good! (minus 1 point for not including units :devil:)
 
TSny said:
Good! (minus 1 point for not including units :devil:)

Haha thank you so much! I got the units on my paper :P
 

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