Rotational motion roller coaster problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to rotational motion, specifically involving forces acting on a roller coaster at different points along its path. Participants are analyzing the normal force and gravitational force in the context of circular motion.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the normal force at the bottom of the track and question the validity of their results. There is exploration of the conditions when the vehicle leaves the track and how that affects the normal force.

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of initial calculations while others are exploring the implications of the normal force becoming zero when the vehicle leaves the track. There is ongoing dialogue about setting up equations correctly for different scenarios.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or assumptions they can make. There is mention of the need for proper units in calculations.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


ƩF = ma = (mv2) / r


The Attempt at a Solution



For part A:
Fn - Fg = (mv2) / r
Fn = ((mv2) / r ) + mg
Fn = (500x20^2) / 10 + 500x9.8
Fn = 24900

This seems too high to be true. But I'm unsure of what I did wrong. I know the normal force is the force of which the track is acting on the car.

For part B:
I think it is just 20m/s but I'm not sure. I know an object traveling in a circle has the most speed when it's at the bottom of the circle.

Thanks for the help in advance!
 
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Part A looks correct.

For part B, set up equations similar to part A and think about what happens to the value of Fn when the vehicle leaves the track.
 
TSny said:
Part A looks correct.

For part B, set up equations similar to part A and think about what happens to the value of Fn when the vehicle leaves the track.

Hmm...

I think Fn would equal 0 when the vehicle leaves the track. So I use the same equation as part A except I set Fn to 0 and solve for v?
 
joe426 said:
Hmm...

I think Fn would equal 0 when the vehicle leaves the track. So I use the same equation as part A except I set Fn to 0 and solve for v?

Yes Fn will be zero. Good. But if you use the same equation you will end up taking the square root of a negative number (oops). Set up a correct similar equation using a new free body diagram for point B
 
TSny said:
Yes Fn will be zero. Good. But if you use the same equation you will end up taking the square root of a negative number (oops). Set up a correct similar equation using a new free body diagram for point B

Fg - Fn = (mv2) / r
(mgr / m)1/2 = v
(500x9.8x15 / 500)1/2 = 12.1

V = 12.1
 
Good! (minus 1 point for not including units :devil:)
 
TSny said:
Good! (minus 1 point for not including units :devil:)

Haha thank you so much! I got the units on my paper :P
 

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