How Is the Correct Weight Calculated in a Russell Traction Apparatus?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the correct weight needed in a Russell traction apparatus to support a patient's leg horizontally while providing traction. The problem involves understanding the forces and torques acting on the system, given the dimensions and mass of the leg.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the weight needed to support the leg and the forces acting at different points in the apparatus. There are attempts to calculate the necessary weight using torque equations and discussions about the implications of the pivot point's location.

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Some participants have provided calculations and alternative suggestions regarding the weight, while others express confusion about the use of torque in the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made about the pivot point and the interpretation of the problem's requirements.

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Participants note potential discrepancies in the leg's dimensions relative to typical values, which may affect the calculations. There is also mention of varying the support position and the angle to achieve the desired traction, indicating that multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Homework Statement


The device shown in the figure below (Figure 1) is one version of a Russell traction apparatus. It has two functions: to support the injured leg horizontally and at the same time provide a horizontal traction force on it. This can be done by adjusting the weight W and the angle θ. For this patient, his leg (including his foot) is 81.0 cm long (measured from the hip joint) and has a mass of 16.6 kg . Its center of mass is 41.0 cm from the hip joint. A support strap is attached to the patient's ankle 13.0 cm from the bottom of his foot.

What weight W(in N) is needed to support the leg horizontally?

Massleg=16.6kg
Radiusleg=81.0cm or .810m
Radiuscm=41.0cm or .410m
Radiuspulley=13.0cm from foot or 68.0cm from pivot=.680m

Homework Equations


Στ(torque) = 0
τ= T⋅R
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


Force of the center mass is equal to the mass times the acceleration(downward).
Fcm = m * a = 16.6kg ⋅ -9.8m/s2
Fcm = -162.68N
Fcm * Rcm = -162.68N * .410m = -66.988 N*m = τ

Now, I sum the torques and solve for Fpulley
Fpulley * Rpulley - Fcm * Rcm = 0
Fpulley*.68m = -66.988N*m
Fpulley = -98.08647N = -98.1N

I have tried inputing -98.1 and 98.1, both were wrong. Any suggestions? I've looked elsewhere online and this is pretty much the template they provide so maybe I'm getting my numbers wrong somewhere?
 
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Hello DU, :welcome:

For what it's worth: I get the 98.1 N, just like you did (mass is always positive).

You could try 98.2 (for the case they use g = 9.81 m/s2, but that's nitpicking).
 
No sir, 98.2 did not work.
 
Is it possible that the pivot point is actually at the foot, the idea being to keep the weight of the leg off of the hip joint?
 
I asked the prof. He checked what the equation they used to solve it. The answer ended up being .5 *(mass of leg)*9.8m/s2. He didnt really understand why. Can anyone else explain? Another part of this problem asked what the maximum weight that could be put on the hanging mass with the answer being 2*(mass of leg)*9.8. Am i misunderstanding the question? I don't feel like theyre using torque at all but this is in the torque section of the book and gives radii.
 
The data given make this patient's leg very short for its mass, and quite short for a Western adult male generally.
Maybe the 81cm is supposed to be only from hip to support. That would give a more reasonable total leg length.
Du57mi73 said:
the maximum weight that could be put on the hanging mass
That implies something can be varied to compensate. Changing theta only changes the horizontal tension. Maybe it means varying the position of the support.
 
My guess is that when you talk up supporting it horizontally then it is meaning that it is being held pivot at the hip and pulled outward(at theta) by the two T forces at the foot. For some reason it is asking what the value of one of those T's are because the total mass that needs pulled is the weight of the leg, and then T is half of the weight of the leg. I get that, sure. BUT why doesn't the problem use the radii or torque? Haha.
 
Du57mi73 said:
when you talk up supporting it horizontally then it is meaning that it is being held pivot at the hip and pulled outward(at theta) by the two T forces at the foot.
No, support the injured leg horizontally means supporting it in a horizontal position. That comes from the vertical force.
It continues:
Du57mi73 said:
and at the same time provide a horizontal traction force on it.
That is the net force from the two angled portions of the cable.
 

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