S=1 and I=1: How Can L be Anything Other than 0?

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanical addition of angular momentum, specifically addressing the conditions under which the total angular momentum quantum number \( I \) can take certain values given the spin \( S \) and orbital angular momentum \( L \). Participants explore the implications of these values in the context of quantum states and configurations.

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  • One participant questions how \( L \) can be anything other than 0 when both \( S \) and \( I \) are known to be 1.
  • Another participant explains the addition of angular momentum formula, stating that for \( S=1 \), \( I \) can only equal 1 if \( L \) is 0, 1, or 2.
  • A later post seeks clarification on how to apply the angular momentum addition formula to derive the possible values of \( L \) when \( S=1 \).
  • Another participant summarizes that the minimum total angular momentum is \( |L-S| \) and the maximum is \( L+S \), with values spaced uniformly in between.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the notes being discussed, arguing that the explanation of antiparallel spins is too vague and can apply to different spin configurations.
  • A participant introduces the concept of adding two spins \( \frac{1}{2} \) to yield total spins of either 1 or 0, questioning how this addition works in the context of three spins \( \frac{1}{2} \).
  • Another post mentions the deuteron as a bound state that is not purely an s wave, noting its electric quadrupole moment as evidence of d wave admixture.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of angular momentum addition and the implications of spin configurations. There is no consensus on the clarity of the notes being referenced or the implications of adding spins.

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Some participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the definitions of spin states and configurations, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving the values of \( L \) from the angular momentum addition formula.

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My notes say:

http://i.imgur.com/Z0v7Psi.png

The particular part I don't understand is that we know I = 1, and the text says:

for S = 1, I can be equal to 1 for L = 0, 1, 2.If we know I = 1 and S = 1, how can L be anything other than 0?

Thanks as always!
 
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Addition of quantum angular momentum ##\mathbf{I} = \mathbf{L} + \mathbf{S}## yields, for the possible value of ##I##,
$$I = |L-S|,|L-S|+1,\ldots,L+S-1,L+S$$.
If you plug in ##S=1## to the above equation, you should see that ##I## can be unity only if ##L = 0,1,2##.
 
Thank you!
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Addition of quantum angular momentum ##\mathbf{I} = \mathbf{L} + \mathbf{S}## yields, for the possible value of ##I##,
$$I = |L-S|,|L-S|+1,\ldots,L+S-1,L+S$$.
If you plug in ##S=1## to the above equation, you should see that ##I## can be unity only if ##L = 0,1,2##.

Can you elaborate how to look at this kind of problem when solving?
How exactly do you plug in ##S=1## in this equation and get only 0,1,2 as solutions for L?
 
Given ##L = S = 1##, the possible total angular momenta are
$$
I = |1-1|,|1-1|+1,1+1 = 0,1,2
$$
To put it in a simple way, the min total angular momenta is ##|L-S|## while the maximum is ##L+S##. Between these values the angular momenta are spaced uniformly at unit increment.
 
In general I don't like what these notes say... For S=0 indeed you have antiparallel spins... but that is too vague since you can have antiparallel spin configuration for S=1 too...
In particular the spin states are (I give it as |S, S_z> in the LHS and |pn> spins in the RHS ):
S=1
|1,1> = |\uparrow_p \uparrow_n>
|1,0> =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\Big( |\uparrow_p \downarrow_n> +|\downarrow_p \uparrow_n> \Big)
|1,-1> = |\downarrow_p \downarrow_n>
S=0
|0,0> =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\Big( |\uparrow_p \downarrow_n> -|\downarrow_p \uparrow_n> \Big)

As you can see, with adding two spins 1/2 you can either get either total spin 1 (triplet) or 0 (singlet)...in an extension of your question, how did the addition of two 1/2s resulted to something that is 0?
What will happen if you add three spins 1/2?
 
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