S8.3.7.3. whose sum is a minimum

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The discussion revolves around finding two positive numbers whose product is 100 and whose sum is minimized. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, including the derivation of the sum function and its minimization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially proposes that the sum of two numbers is minimized when both are equal to 10, suggesting a sum of 20.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that the product condition implies a different relationship, specifically that the sum should be expressed as \( S = x + \frac{100}{x} \).
  • A participant provides the derivative of the sum function, \( S' = 1 - \frac{100}{x^2} \), and notes that \( S'(0) = 10 \), which is later contested.
  • Another participant points out that \( S'(0) \) is undefined and clarifies that \( S'(x) = 0 \) at \( x = 10 \).

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial claim regarding the sum being minimized at 20, as there are competing interpretations of the product and sum relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and assumptions made about the variables involved, particularly in relation to the conditions of the problem.

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S8.3.7.3.
Find two positive numbers whose product is 100 and whose sum is a minimum
$x(100-x)=100x-x^2=100$

So far

Looks like it's 10+10=20Doing all my lockdown homework here
since I have no access to WiFi and a PC.
and just a tablet where overkeaf does not work
 
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karush said:
S8.3.7.3.
Find two positive numbers whose product is 100 and whose sum is a minimum
$x(100-x)=100x-x^2=100$

So far

Looks like it's 10+10=20Doing all my lockdown homework here
since I have no access to WiFi and a PC.
and just a tablet where overkeaf does not work

The way you have defined the product implies that $\displaystyle x + y = 100 $, which it almost certainly doesn't.

You are told the product is 100, so $\displaystyle x\,y = 100 \implies y = \frac{100}{x} $.

The sum needs to be minimised, so your sum function is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} S &= x + y \\ S &= x + \frac{100}{x} \end{align*} $

Now minimise the amount.
 
$S'=\left(x + \dfrac{100}{x}\right)' = 1 - \dfrac{100}{x^2}$
So
$S'(0)=10$
 
karush said:
$S'=\left(x + \dfrac{100}{x}\right)' = 1 - \dfrac{100}{x^2}$
So
$S'(0)=10$

No, $S'(0)$ is undefined ...

$S'(x) = 0$ at $x=10$
 

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