Scalar field pressure and energy density

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of energy density and pressure from the stress-energy tensor of a scalar field, as referenced in a specific document. Participants explore the application of the energy-momentum tensor in the context of scalar fields, focusing on the mathematical notation and the underlying physical concepts.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive energy density and pressure from the stress-energy tensor, expressing confusion about tensor notation and calculations.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the Lagrangian of the scalar field and applying Noether's theorem to obtain the energy-momentum tensor, indicating that energy density can be found as ρ = T00 and pressure as p = T11 = T22 = T33.
  • A participant questions the range of indices in the formulas presented, wondering if they run from 0 to 3 or from 1 to 3, and reflects on their understanding of the metric used.
  • Another participant emphasizes careful application of the formulas, clarifying the roles of different indices and providing a detailed breakdown of the calculations for T00 and T11.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has gained understanding from the discussion, expressing gratitude for the assistance.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the calculations, as there are varying levels of understanding and some confusion regarding the notation and application of the formulas. The discussion remains exploratory with no definitive resolution.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of indices and the implications of the metric used in their calculations. There is also a reliance on assumptions regarding homogeneity and isotropy in the context of the scalar field.

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Hi all,

I'm hoping someone can help me out as I'm really stuck.

With reference to the top of page 7 at http://faculty.washington.edu/mrdepies/Survey_of_Dark_Energy2.pdf

I'd like to know how to get the quoted energy density and pressure of phi from the stress-energy tensor. I am very new to tensors and the notation involved. There are times I think I understand what is going on, but then I find I can't do simple problems, like get the pressure from the stress energy tensor.

The way I'd get the energy density is by setting all indices in the stress-energy tensor to 0, but I'm not sure if that's correct?

What would help me out massivly is a step by step way to get these answers (or point me to a site that explains how to get them, I've yet to find one). Once I understand this, I suspect a lot of other stuff I've been reading about will fall into place.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help :smile:
 
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In the lecture notes it is applied the usual procedure to calculate the energy-momentum tensor: start with the Lagrangian of the scalar field and apply Noether's theorem to get its energy-momentum tensor.

Having the expression for T_{\mu \nu}[/tex] (second formula in page 7) you will get the density as \rho = T_{00} and the pressure as p = T_{11} = T_{22} = T_{33}. You can assume that it is a perfect fluid, homogeneous and isotropic, and therefore \partial_1\phi = \partial_2\phi = \partial_3\phi = 0.
 
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I see,

say i want to work out the pressure. On that second formula on page 7, do all the indices run from 0 to 3, or from 1 to 3. Or do alpha and beta run over a different number of indices from mu and nu?

(edit) actually looking over it, I feel I'm missing something fundamental from this. If the metric is g = diag(-1, 1, 1, 1) I get: P = T(11) = T(22) = T(33) = -0.5*(d phi/dt)^2 - V
 
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I think you just have to apply with care the second formula in page 7. Note that \alpha and \beta are the indices of the energy-momentum tensor and \mu and \nu are dummy indices that are summed over. Remember the condition of homogeneity and isotropy and also note that g^{\mu \nu} = g_{\mu \nu} for g the Minkowski metric.

T_{\alpha \beta} = \partial_{\alpha} \phi \partial_{\beta} \phi - g_{\alpha \beta} \left(\frac{1}{2} g^{\mu \nu} \partial_{\mu} \phi \partial_{\nu} \phi + V \right)

Start with the 00 term:

T_{00} = \partial_{0} \phi \partial_{0} \phi - g_{00} \left(\frac{1}{2} g^{\mu \nu} \partial_{\mu} \phi \partial_{\nu} \phi + V \right)

In the sum over \mu and \nu, only the 00 term is different from zero:

T_{00} = (\partial_{0} \phi)^2 + \left(- \frac{1}{2} (\partial_{0} \phi)^2 + V \right)
T_{00} = \frac{1}{2}(\partial_{0} \phi)^2 + V
\rho = \frac{1}{2}(\partial_{0} \phi)^2 + V

The 11, 22 and 33 terms in the same way:

T_{11} = \partial_{1} \phi \partial_{1} \phi - g_{11} \left(\frac{1}{2} g^{\mu \nu} \partial_{\mu} \phi \partial_{\nu} \phi + V \right)
T_{11} = - \left(- \frac{1}{2} (\partial_{0} \phi)^2 + V \right)
p = \frac{1}{2} (\partial_{0} \phi)^2 - V \right)
 
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ahhhh, I get it now. Thank you so much!
 

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