Scaling Problem: How Much Would He Weigh?

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The discussion revolves around a scaling problem involving a hypothetical man who is scaled up in height while maintaining proportional dimensions. Participants explore how this scaling affects his weight, considering factors such as density and volume. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarifications related to scaling in three dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the man scales up in height to 60 feet while maintaining the same proportions, his weight can be calculated based on changes in volume and density.
  • Others question the assumptions about scaling, specifically whether the man scales uniformly in all three dimensions and whether his weight per cubic centimeter remains constant.
  • A participant suggests approximating the man as a block to facilitate calculations of density and weight.
  • There is a discussion about the initial volume and mass of the man, with some participants providing calculations for density and weight based on these values.
  • One participant critiques another's calculations, pointing out potential errors in unit conversions and significant figures, while suggesting a step-by-step approach to scaling.
  • Another participant notes that weight and mass are proportional to volume and scale as the cube of lengths, which relates to the scaling problem at hand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding scaling and the calculations involved. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final weight of the scaled man, as multiple interpretations and methods are presented.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about unit conversions, significant figures, and the assumptions underlying the scaling process. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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Let's say that we have a guy who is 6 feet tall and weighs 190 lb. If we were to make him 60 feet tall with the same proportions as before, how much would the man weigh? How much would he weigh if we make him 50 feet tall?
 
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"Same proportions"...
- So he scales the same amount in all 3 dimensions?
- So he weighs the same per cubic centimeter as he did before?

That might be a good start.
 
kuartus4 said:
Let's say that we have a guy who is 6 feet tall and weighs 190 lb. If we were to make him 60 feet tall with the same proportions as before, how much would the man weigh? How much would he weigh if we make him 50 feet tall?

You can approximate him as a 6ft x 1ft x 1ft block and then calculate his density. When you scale his height to 60 ft he will become a 60ft x 10ft x 10ft block.
 
economicsnerd said:
"Same proportions"...
- So he scales the same amount in all 3 dimensions?
- So he weighs the same per cubic centimeter as he did before?

That might be a good start.


Both.
 
kuartus4 said:
Let's say that we have a guy who is 6 feet tall and weighs 190 lb. If we were to make him 60 feet tall with the same proportions as before, how much would the man weigh? How much would he weigh if we make him 50 feet tall?

economicsnerd said:
"Same proportions"...
- So he scales the same amount in all 3 dimensions?
- So he weighs the same per cubic centimeter as he did before?

That might be a good start.

kuartus4 said:
Both.

Please show some effort on your part in answering this question. You have been given good hints -- you should be able to solve the question fairly easily now. Please show some work.

And is this question for your schoolwork?
 
berkeman said:
Please show some effort on your part in answering this question. You have been given good hints -- you should be able to solve the question fairly easily now. Please show some work.

And is this question for your schoolwork?


Nope. Not schoolwork. I'm not in school. I'm just a guy who was curious about this particular question after reading some comics with giant super heroes. Immature I know. But I guess I'll try answering the question.

The guys initial volume is 6 cubic feet?
His mass is 86 kg.
So his density is mass/volume.

8600g/169,901cm cubed.

So .5g/1 cm cubed.


.5=x/6000

So the sixty foot giant weighs 6,613.8 lbs.
 
kuartus4 said:
The guys initial volume is 6 cubic feet?

Yes.

His mass is 86 kg.

Yes. Though it is also 190 pounds. There is no need to change units.

So his density is mass/volume.

8600g/169,901cm cubed.

You typoed the 86,000g. There is also no need to change units again.

So .5g/1 cm cubed.

Yes. Note that you've rounded and this density has only one significant figure.

.5=x/6000

Where x is the mass in grams of a man/block whose volume is 6000 cubic centimeters?

So the sixty foot giant weighs 6,613.8 lbs.

It appears that you solved for x, obtained 3000 grams, interpreted that as kilograms, converted to pounds and added four unwarranted significant figures. You are making things way too complicated.

An alternate approach is to take it one step at a time. You scale the block up by increasing its height by a factor of ten and leaving its width and depth the same. What happens to its weight? Then scale it up by making it ten times larger front to back. What happens to its weight? Then scale it up by making it ten times larger side to site. What happens to its weight?
 
Weight and mass of an object with uniform density are proportional to the volume of the object and so scale as the cube of lengths.
 

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