Scattering partial wave expansion question

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The discussion revolves around the partial wave expansion in scattering theory, specifically addressing the behavior of angular momentum components during scattering processes. Participants explore the implications of angular momentum conservation in both single and multiple incoming partial waves, as well as the intuitive understanding of scattering at low energies, particularly concerning high angular momentum states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the values of j_l(kr) could not switch around among different angular momentum components while still conserving total angular momentum.
  • Another participant asserts that for a single incoming partial wave with definite angular momentum (L, m), the outgoing wave must retain the same L and m due to angular momentum conservation, emphasizing the linearity of the system.
  • A participant reiterates the point about single partial waves and their scattering behavior, seeking clarification on why amplitudes of multiple partial waves with different L's cannot switch while conserving total L.
  • One participant highlights that the system's linear nature allows the incoming wave with a superposition of different L to be viewed as a sum of individual waves with fixed L.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the intuitive reasoning behind low energy leading to negligible scattering in high angular momentum states, prompting further inquiry.
  • Another participant responds by explaining the relationship between angular momentum and energy, noting that achieving high angular momentum at low energy requires a large distance of closest approach, which is constrained by the hard sphere's radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conservation of angular momentum in scattering processes, but there is ongoing debate regarding the implications of this conservation in the context of multiple partial waves and the intuitive understanding of scattering at low energies.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of angular momentum components and the relationship between energy and scattering are not fully resolved, particularly in the context of multiple partial waves and their interactions.

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Hi, I'm reading about the partial wave expansion in Shankar. In his method, we expand the incident plane wave (he chooses it such that it's coming in along the z axis, and using spherical coordinates) using the Legendre polynomials:

e^{ikr cos(\theta)} = \sum _{l = 0} ^\infty i^l (2l + 1) j_l(kr)P_l(cos(\theta))

Then he says that "since the potential conserves angular momentum, each angular momentum component scatters independently". I get what he's saying, but my question is: Why couldn't the values of j_l(kr) switch around such that the various angular momentum components switch around, but the total amount is still conserved?
 
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Suppose we just had a single incoming partial wave instead of a bunch of them superposed. This partial wave has a definite L and m. Since the Hamiltonian conserves angular momentum, the outgoing, scattered wave must have the same L and m, i.e. it must be proportional to the incoming partial wave, since there is only one partial wave for each possible (L,m) pair. When we superpose a bunch of partial waves to get a plane wave, each partial wave still scatters in this simple way, because of linearity/the superposition principle.
 
The_Duck said:
Suppose we just had a single incoming partial wave instead of a bunch of them superposed. This partial wave has a definite L and m. Since the Hamiltonian conserves angular momentum, the outgoing, scattered wave must have the same L and m, i.e. it must be proportional to the incoming partial wave, since there is only one partial wave for each possible (L,m) pair. When we superpose a bunch of partial waves to get a plane wave, each partial wave still scatters in this simple way, because of linearity/the superposition principle.

I see what you're saying, I think: that when there is a partial wave of only one L and m, the scattered wave has to have that. But when there are a bunch of partial waves with different L's, why can't their amplitudes switch around such that the total L is still conserved?

Thanks!
 
The system is linear - the incoming wave with a superposition of different L can be viewed as the sum of individual incoming waves with fixed L.
 
mfb said:
The system is linear - the incoming wave with a superposition of different L can be viewed as the sum of individual incoming waves with fixed L.

Hmmm, right... Ok, I have another question about the partial wave expansion. He does an example of scattering off a hard sphere, and then shows some qualitative stuff about it at the end. He says about an equation for k -> 0 (low energy): "This agrees with the intuitive expectation that at low energies there should be negligible scattering in the high angular momentum states."

I don't see that intuitively. Why would high angular momentum states scatter less, intuitively?

Thanks!
 
How do you get high angular momentum with low energy => low momentum? Angular momentum is momentum times distance of closest approach. The velocity is fixed, so you need a large distance of closest approach. With a hard sphere, this value is limited by the radius of the sphere.
 

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