Schroedinger's cat experiment, my question?

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The discussion revolves around Schrödinger's cat thought experiment, particularly its implications regarding the nature of reality, observation, and the concept of multiple universes. Participants explore interpretations of the experiment, including the Many Worlds Interpretation and the role of the observer in determining outcomes.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Schrödinger's cat experiment illustrates the limitations of multiple universes, arguing that if the observer is also enclosed, the possibilities are constrained.
  • Others assert that the experiment was not intended to prove the existence of multiple universes, but rather to highlight flaws in human logic and the observer's role in determining outcomes.
  • A participant argues that the Many Worlds Interpretation arises from the experiment, stating that while Schrödinger did not intend it as such, the experiment aligns with the idea that all states exist simultaneously until observed.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the cat's perspective, suggesting that it would not experience its own dead state, and that both the observer and observed states may exist in superposition.
  • One participant questions whether the experiment has been conducted with actual living subjects, such as cats or mice, to test these theories.
  • Another participant claims that the universe is an open system, countering the notion that it is a closed system as suggested by some interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Schrödinger's cat experiment, with no consensus on whether it supports the Many Worlds Interpretation or highlights flaws in logic regarding observation. Multiple competing interpretations remain present in the discussion.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the universe (open vs. closed system) and the implications of the observer's role in quantum mechanics. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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People say that the Schroedinger's cat experiment shows the possibility of multiple universes.
Yet if the person checking if the cat was still alive (the measurer) was in a box themselves, your possibilities are limited. And do not include a dead measurer and a dead cat! :smile:
Anyhow so for me this shows that there are not an almost infinite number of universes but simply with thought we illuminate the ones right next to us.
Just playing with ideas, anyone one know if this would be true outside Schroedinger's thought experiment?
Thanks
Simon
 
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Schroedinger's cat experiment(thought experiment) had NOTHING to do with proving multiple universe's.

Perhaps the most misunderstood thought experiment in history.

Instead, the intent of the thought experiment was to expose natural flaws in human logic and the fallacy of the role of the observer(in this case) determining outcome.

In other words, in reality, the cat is NOT in a state of superposition(alive or dead) until observed, yet the thought experiment might presume this.

Hence the potential for flawed logic. That was his point.

This was NEVER meant to be an actual experiment proving multiple universes.
 
Shroedinger didn't mean it to be, certainly, but this is the argument for Many Worlds.

We now know that the Shroedinger Cat experiment will go exactly as described, as unintuitive as it seems. While we have not done anything like this to an actual cat, it has been done to some simple systems and all predictions have been met. So Shroedinger was wrong. As crazy as it is, this is how things work.

The next step is to consider what it all looks like to a cat. The living state obviously does not experience its own dead state. From its perspective, the outcome is not a super-position but a certain eigen state. If it's a very smart cat with the right equipment, it can even verify that the radioactive atom's state has collapsed.

The next step in the argument is that since universe is a closed system (presumably) all the same rules apply to us. So what's really an entanglement of observer state to the observed state appears to observer as a collapse of observed state, while in reality, both continue exist as superposition. And that is Many World Interpretation.
 
K^2 said:
Shroedinger didn't mean it to be, certainly, but this is the argument for Many Worlds.

We now know that the Shroedinger Cat experiment will go exactly as described, as unintuitive as it seems. While we have not done anything like this to an actual cat, it has been done to some simple systems and all predictions have been met. So Shroedinger was wrong. As crazy as it is, this is how things work.

The next step is to consider what it all looks like to a cat. The living state obviously does not experience its own dead state. From its perspective, the outcome is not a super-position but a certain eigen state. If it's a very smart cat with the right equipment, it can even verify that the radioactive atom's state has collapsed.

The next step in the argument is that since universe is a closed system (presumably) all the same rules apply to us. So what's really an entanglement of observer state to the observed state appears to observer as a collapse of observed state, while in reality, both continue exist as superposition. And that is Many World Interpretation.

OK, so we are able to do the experiment.
Be it a cat, mice or whatever.
Has anyone done this?
 
K^2 said:
Shroedinger didn't mean it to be, certainly, but this is the argument for Many Worlds.

We now know that the Shroedinger Cat experiment will go exactly as described, as unintuitive as it seems. While we have not done anything like this to an actual cat, it has been done to some simple systems and all predictions have been met. So Shroedinger was wrong. As crazy as it is, this is how things work.

The next step is to consider what it all looks like to a cat. The living state obviously does not experience its own dead state. From its perspective, the outcome is not a super-position but a certain eigen state. If it's a very smart cat with the right equipment, it can even verify that the radioactive atom's state has collapsed.

The next step in the argument is that since universe is a closed system (presumably) all the same rules apply to us. So what's really an entanglement of observer state to the observed state appears to observer as a collapse of observed state, while in reality, both continue exist as superposition. And that is Many World Interpretation.

I must applaud you for giving the shortest and most elegant explanation for MWI I've ever head!
 
Th e universe is an open system because it is infinite.
 
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