Science is the study of non-science

In summary, the conversation revolved around the definition and understanding of science. The participants argued about whether science is a study of non-science or a way of life, and whether the mainstream media has corrupted the original definition of science. The conversation also touched upon the function of science in organizing knowledge and the role of data collection and study in scientific research. Some participants also brought up the need to separate work from play and the importance of finding enjoyment in one's work.
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The line between the observer and the observed needs to be re-enforced. Apparently science is a whole list of things nowadays, from evolution to nature. I didn't know nature was science. I did know nature was studied by science. Mainstream media and pop-sci is rampant with this non-sense, promoting science as a way of life, borderline new-age religion. Let's remind ourselves of what science is:

"Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Science organizes knowledge, but science is not the knowledge itself. Because the knowledge itself isn't always necessarily good or efficient (e.g. observations of dogs eating their own vomit). Nothing about a dog's habits is scientific - the scientific part coming in data collection and study.

Some people need to learn to separate work from play.
 
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Interrogator said:
"Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Science organizes knowledge, but science is not the knowledge itself. Because the knowledge itself isn't always necessarily good or efficient (e.g. observations of dogs eating their own vomit). Nothing about a dog's habits is scientific - the scientific part coming in data collection and study.

That depends on how you define "Science". Many dictionaries also define science as "knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study."1 or "systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation."2
 
  • #3
:biggrin: This seems fun...

:biggrin: That seems like fun...
(EDIT- The post title isn't showing up...manually inserted.)



Well, If you like semantics so much...
Aim:An analysis of the OP.
Thread title-
Interrogator said:
Science is the study of non-science
Analysis- Science (defined later by OP as a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.) is a study of non-science (defined by "www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nonscience‎" as something (as a discipline) that is not a science- interpretation disciplines where scientific method of testing assumptions, principles and conclusions through repeatable experimentation are not always or never possible. Eg. History, Literature and philosophy).
Inference- OP is either not clear on the definition of non-science or in that of science or possibly both. Reasons- OP doesn't define non-science and then provides no supporting facts or hypotheses to support the Title.

Opening Statement-
The line between the observer and the observed needs to be re-enforced.
Analysis: The Op calls for a distiction between observer and the observed.
Rebuttal: Observer in this case is the Scientist who employs science as means of observing some object in order to glean new facts or verify existing knowledge. Nothing in the OP suggests a confusion regarding that Eg. astrophysicists and Supernovas are never confused for each other(hopefully)...

Main argument #1
Apparently science is a whole list of things nowadays, from evolution to nature. I didn't know nature was science. I did know nature was studied by science.
Analysis- In contemporary time the meaning of science has changed to include things from evolution to nature.
Acknowledgement- Under no definition of either science or nature can nature be a sub-set of science.
Rebuttal-OP shows no examples to support the statement that nature is identified as science. Clarification on behalf of the Op would be appreciated.
Acknowledgement-Similarly evolution can not be classified as a subset of science.
Clarification- Theory of evolution is a subset of science and evolution is a fact/conclusion the theory.
Main argument #2
Mainstream media and pop-sci is rampant with this non-sense, promoting science as a way of life, borderline new-age religion.
Analysis- OP contends that science is promoted as a way of life.
Acknowledgement- Science may not be classified as a way of life under any accepted definitions.
Clarification- The scientific method may very well be assimilated in daily life.

Main argument #3
Let's remind ourselves of what science is:

"Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
Analysis- OP quotes a definition from wikipedia and from the context (main argument #1- word nowadays) it may be inferred that OP desires to state that this is the original definition of science which has been now corrupted.
Rebuttal- OP ignores the second part of the paragraph the definition is extracted from:
Wikipedia said:
In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied

Main argument #4
Science organizes knowledge, but science is not the knowledge itself.
Analysis- OP states science organizes knowledge and is not the knowledge.
Rebuttal- In addition to the previous rebuttal which applies to this statement too it is desirable to point out that OP ignores a part of his own quote referring to the function of science as building the body of knowledge.

Main argument #5
Because the knowledge itself isn't always necessarily good or efficient (e.g. observations of dogs eating their own vomit).
Analysis- The OP contends knowledge is not necessarily 'good or efficient'.
Clarification required as to context of 'good or efficient'.
Assumption- Context refers to errors in accuracy and precision of data collection.
Clarification- A good theory requires explanation of all data collected and explanation of errors.
The statement is stated in support of statement "science is not the knowledge itself" which has been already refuted.

Example #1
Nothing about a dog's habits is scientific - the scientific part coming in data collection and study.
Analysis- An example proposed to support existing arguments.
Acknowledgement- It follows from definition of scientific-
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scientific
done in an organized way that agrees with the methods and principles of science
Rebuttal- Statement is ineffective in explaining any of the arguments proposed.
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Some people need to learn to separate work from play.
mmm...I would have said painting(verb) and painting(noun)...
Ah well, more people need to make their work as fun as their play.
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That was fun...now for work:
What's your favourite fish?

:-p
 
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Related to Science is the study of non-science

What is science?

Science is a systematic and organized way of studying the natural world through observation, experimentation, and analysis. It seeks to understand the physical and natural phenomena around us and explain them through evidence-based theories and laws.

What is non-science?

Non-science refers to any subject or field that is not considered a part of the scientific method. This includes areas such as philosophy, religion, and art, which do not use empirical evidence and experimentation to explain their concepts and ideas.

Why is it important to study non-science?

Studying non-science is important as it allows us to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation of the world around us, including our beliefs, values, and cultural practices. It also helps us to develop critical thinking skills and consider different perspectives on various topics.

How does science interact with non-science?

Science and non-science often intersect and influence each other in various ways. For instance, scientific advancements have often challenged and changed traditional beliefs and practices in non-scientific fields. Similarly, non-scientific beliefs and values can also shape the direction and focus of scientific research.

Can non-science be studied using scientific methods?

While non-science may not follow the traditional scientific method, it can still be studied using scientific approaches. For example, social sciences like psychology and sociology use scientific methods to study human behavior and societies, even though they may not always produce concrete, measurable results.

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