Scientific American Entanglement Movie

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The discussion centers around a short movie created by Scientific American that aims to explain quantum entanglement and the Bell experiment. Participants express concerns about the accuracy of the claims made in the video, particularly regarding the behavior of entangled photons and the implications of entanglement as presented in the film.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant believes the video contains a "fatal flaw" in its explanation of what is possible with entangled photons.
  • Another participant questions the seriousness of the video's claims and seeks clarification on what specific claims are being challenged.
  • Concerns are raised about the assertion that quantum systems pass the CHSH test 100% of the time, with a participant stating that the actual pass rate is at most 85%.
  • It is suggested that a more complex test, such as the Mermin-Peres magic square game, would be more appropriate for demonstrating quantum success.
  • Participants discuss the implication that entanglement is a permanent state, with one noting that this could mislead viewers into thinking entanglement can be reused indefinitely.
  • Another participant agrees with the concerns about the CHSH test and mentions Tsirelson's inequality as a relevant consideration.
  • There is a suggestion that using fresh pairs of entangled photons could address the issue of reusing entanglement.
  • A humorous suggestion is made to create a sophisticated critique of the video for publication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the accuracy of the video's claims, particularly about the CHSH test and the nature of entanglement. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the validity of the video's content.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the video's presentation, including potential misunderstandings about the nature of entanglement and the specifics of quantum tests. There are unresolved mathematical considerations regarding the CHSH test and its implications.

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Scientific American created a short movie purporting to explain entanglement and the Bell experiment at:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/video/quantum-entanglement-the-movie-2012-01-30/

The part that interests me is near the end when explaining what is possible with entangled photons, which I believe is fatally flawed. I am wondering if the QM community here agrees.
 
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I haven't watched the video, but the description states "In this dramatized film, Scientific American editors George Musser and John Matson try to fool a colleague into thinking their brains are quantum-entangled."

Are you sure it's meant to be serious? What claim are they making that you question?
 
Doc Al said:
I haven't watched the video, but the description states "In this dramatized film, Scientific American editors George Musser and John Matson try to fool a colleague into thinking their brains are quantum-entangled."

Are you sure it's meant to be serious? What claim are they making that you question?
It is meant to be serious. The claim starts at 7:20.
 
Here's a youtube link (the site you linked to has overlay spam):



Doc Al said:
Are you sure it's meant to be serious? What claim are they making that you question?

It's just a framing device for the video. They build up from "look we're doing the same thing!" to being forced (and failing) to violate Bell inequalities as a skeptical colleague keeps not believing them.

Zafa Pi said:
The part that interests me is near the end when explaining what is possible with entangled photons, which I believe is fatally flawed.

The worst mistake is they basically say quantum systems pass the CHSH test 100% of the time. That's wrong. The actual pass rate is at most 85-ish percent of the time. If they wanted 100% quantum success then they should have used a more complicated test, like the mermin-peres magic square game.

Also I don't like that they implied that entanglement was a permanent state of affairs, as if you could keep re-using entanglement to pass tests again and again. But... after fixing that CHSH-100% issue, I think the more pressing issue would have been improving the cinematography. The pacing and the acting leave a lot to be desired.
 
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Strilanc said:
Here's a youtube link (the site you linked to has overlay spam):


It's just a framing device for the video. They build up from "look we're doing the same thing!" to being forced (and failing) to violate Bell inequalities as a skeptical colleague keeps not believing them.
The worst mistake is they basically say quantum systems pass the CHSH test 100% of the time. That's wrong. The actual pass rate is at most 85-ish percent of the time. If they wanted 100% quantum success then they should have used a more complicated test, like the mermin-peres magic square game.

Also I don't like that they implied that entanglement was a permanent state of affairs, as if you could keep re-using entanglement to pass tests again and again. But... after fixing that CHSH-100% issue, I think the more pressing issue would have been improving the cinematography. The pacing and the acting leave a lot to be desired.

Exactly, "the CHSH test 100% of the time" was my concern. It violates Tsirelson's inequality. To set it right for the video it becomes cumbersome because they would then need to show that without QM 75% is max. Thank you for validating.

What you call the "mermin-peres magic square game", which I've heard called by the more colorful "quantum pseudo-telepathy" might actually be easier to present correctly due to the lack of difficulties that arise from the 85% vs 75% issue. It is quite spectacular, and makes for a great math problem that no one (unless s/he knows of a QM solution) can solve.

Also the "re-using entanglement" is a bother, yet is easily fixed by continually using fresh pairs of entangled photons.

Work up a sophisticated video critique and send to the Newyorker. :-)
 

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