Searching for Microscopic Black Holes in the LHC

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for microscopic black holes at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and the theoretical implications of their existence and detection. It touches on concepts from particle physics, astrophysics, and the nature of black holes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether microscopic black holes have ever been observed at the LHC, with one suggesting that if they had been detected, it would be widely known.
  • Another participant proposes that any microscopic black hole created at the LHC would likely evaporate instantly due to Hawking radiation, raising doubts about the feasibility of observing them.
  • There is a suggestion that the differences in detection methods between particle collisions and black hole vaporization scenarios could be discussed by particle physicists.
  • One participant recalls a statistic indicating that high-energy cosmic rays should produce numerous microscopic black holes annually, yet none have been directly detected, implying that this area may not be a focus of current research due to its rarity and detection challenges.
  • A participant introduces a question about whether stars accelerating to relativistic speeds near supermassive black holes could cross the threshold to become black holes due to increased kinetic energy.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that bodies do not form black holes due to relativistic mass increase and emphasizes the importance of rest mass energy and the Schwarzschild limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects multiple competing views regarding the detection of microscopic black holes and the conditions under which black holes can form, with no consensus reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the detection of microscopic black holes and the implications of relativistic effects on black hole formation, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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Have we ever observed microscopic black holes in the LHC?
 
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kcajrenreb said:
Have we ever observed microscopic black holes in the LHC?

You'd hear about it if we had.
 
At the energy levels used at the LHC, any microblack hole created would effectively instantly be turned into energy via Hawking radiation.
 
Therefore making it impossible, or improbable to observe a microscopic black hole?
 
Essentially, although I suppose a particle physicist could talk about the differences in what we detect in particle collisions verses what we would detect in a black hole vaporization scenario.

I remember hearing a statistic that high energy cosmic rays should produce hundreds of micro black holes a year, but none have ever been directly detected. I don't think it is really an area of current research due to the fact that it is such a rare phenomenae which is extremely hard to detect.
 
When a massive star orbits a supermassive black hole eccentrically, it can be accelerate to relartivistic speeds when it approaches the black hole. We have seen these dramatic u turns by stars in elegant work done over many years. Question, could these accelerating stars cross the threshold for becoming black holes due to increased kinetic energy and hence mass?
 
Bodies do not form black holes due to relativistic mass increase. In its own reference frame, it has only rest mass energy and will not form a black hole unless that mass is concentrated in a volume smaller than its Schwarzschild limit. If it is not a black hole in one reference frame, it is not a black hole in any reference frame.
 
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