Second Quantization: Momentum, Kinetic & Potential Energies + 2 Particles

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The discussion revolves around the topic of second quantization, specifically focusing on momentum, kinetic and potential energies, and the interaction of two particles within this framework. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the concept of second quantization and its applications, particularly in relation to harmonic oscillators and the use of ladder operators.

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  • Participants discuss the definition and implications of Fock space in the context of indistinguishable particles, noting the differences in behavior between bosons and fermions. There are inquiries about the formulation of momentum in second quantization and the rationale behind the definitions of ladder operators. Questions arise regarding the expression of kinetic and potential energy in this framework and how to represent two-particle interactions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing references to textbooks that may provide foundational knowledge on second quantization. Some guidance has been offered regarding specific resources that could clarify the concepts discussed, but there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's questions.

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Participants mention the need to study the basics of second quantization and express challenges in understanding the definitions and applications of operators in this context. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's examination requirements and the complexity of the topic at hand.

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Write momentum, kinetic and potential energy, and two particle interaction in second quantization.
That is the question that I need to answer for my exam, but I don't have any idea what second quantization is, except that you can solve harmonic oscilator by using ladder operators. I can't find any connection between that problem and my question.
 
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I don't know the formal definition but I know that we work in it when dealing with more than one undistinguishable particles. Than states can be symmetric for bosons and antisymmetric for fermions resulting that only one fermion can be in one state while bosons don't have that restriction.

From harmonic oscilator:

a=\sqrt{m\omega/2\hbar}x+ip/\sqrt{2m\omega\hbar}
a^+=\sqrt{m\omega/2\hbar}x-ip/\sqrt{2m\omega\hbar}

from such definition I have:

p=i\sqrt{\hbar m\omega/2}(a^+-a) (1)

Would that momentum in second quantization?

If it is, I'm not really satisfied with such "explanation". Why did we choose a and a+ operators in such way? Why is it important?

I asume that then I could write the kinetic and potential energy in such way simply buy putting (1) in hamilton equation?

What about two particle interaction, I still don't have an idea how to write that in 2.quantization.
 
Ene Dene said:
I asume that then I could write the kinetic and potential energy in such way simply buy putting (1) in hamilton equation?
Noo... that wouldn't work H=p^2/2m+V, so I can't express kinetic energy in that way...
So the question stands...
 
Ene Dene said:
Write momentum, kinetic and potential energy, and two particle interaction in second quantization.
Is that the exact question? Please write down the question exactly as it was given to you.

Before you can attempt answering this question, you need to study at least the basics of second quantization. You will find this in any standard many-body theory text (e.g., Fetter & Walecka, Reinhardt & Greiner).
 
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That is the exact question.
I looked a few books (read whole Griffiths and most of Shiff) and they all mention lowering and rising operators when it comes to harmonic oscillator. But I haven't found any explanation why are these operators defined in why that they are, and how would I write a general hamiltonian (not just for harmonic oscillator, that I could do) or two particle interaction in terms of them.
 
I can only guess that you're not using the right book, or the lecture notes are not that illuminating. See the first chapter of F.Schwabl's book "Advanced Quantum Mechanics", 3rd Ed, Springer Verlag, 2000. You should be able to answer your question after consulting it.
 
OK, I'll try to find that book, at least, now I have some idea where to look.
Thank you.
 
Other references:

*Section 17.4 of Ballentine's book :Quantum Mechanics. A modern development.2nd Edition.
*Section 13.6 of Galindo & Pascual's book: Quantum Mechanics (it's in the 2nd volume)
*Section 64 of Landau and Lifschitz' book: Quantum Mechanics. The Nonrelativistic theory.
 
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I found the Schwabl book and first chapeter is just what I need. Thank you
 
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Hello!
Of course Schwabl is very good! but could u help me about second quantization?
i didn't understand the result:
for bosons it was written: Ssum(alpha)of /i><j/(alpha)/i1...iN>*1/(n1!...nN!)^(-1/2)=?
Thanks in advance
 

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