Self energy logarithmic divergence due to chiral symmetry.

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The discussion revolves around the implications of chiral symmetry on mass renormalization in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly focusing on how this symmetry affects the mass shift of particles. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including the relationship between mass terms, the Hamiltonian, and the properties of the action in both bare and renormalized theories.

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  • One participant questions how chiral symmetry restricts a massless particle from gaining mass during mass renormalization, suggesting there may be a restriction within QFT.
  • Another participant asserts that if a mass term is present, then ##\gamma_5## will not commute with the Hamiltonian.
  • A follow-up post reiterates the previous point about the commutation of ##\gamma_5## with the Hamiltonian in both bare and renormalized theories.
  • One participant argues that the properties of the action should remain unchanged between the bare and renormalized theories, although they acknowledge that a massless theory does not always guarantee a zero mass shift.
  • Another participant notes that while not all regularization schemes are sensible, it is generally expected that the mass shift should be zero.
  • A subsequent post asks whether the argument about the symmetry of the renormalized action holding true as in the bare theory is valid.
  • A later reply confirms that the effective action retains the same symmetries as the classical action, provided the functional measure in the path integral is invariant, although this may not hold if the symmetry is anomalous.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of chiral symmetry and mass renormalization, with no consensus reached on the nature of the restrictions imposed by chiral symmetry on massless particles.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the dependence of mass shifts on regularization schemes and the conditions under which symmetries are preserved in renormalized theories.

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In peskin at page 319 right above equation (10.6) he writes

"If the constant term in a taylor expansion of the self energy were proportional to the cutoff ##\Lambda##, the electron mass shift would also have a term proportional to ##\Lambda##. But the electron mass shift must actually be proportional to ##m## since chiral symmetry would forbid a mass shift if ##m## were zero."

So chiral symmetry is a symmetry between right and left handed fields. If the mass is zero the Lagrangian has this symmetry and the axial current is conserved classically. But how does this symmetry restrict the particle from getting a mass?

Is there an restriction within QFT which prevents a massless particle from gaining mass in mass renormalization?
 
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If there will be a mass term then γ5 will not commute with the Hamiltonian.
 
andrien said:
If there will be a mass term then γ5 will not commute with the Hamiltonian.

And if ##\gamma_5## commutes with the Hamiltonian for the bare theory; it must also do so for the renormalized theory?
 
why not?
 
andrien said:
why not?
I would say that the properties action can't change since the bare and the renormalized theory are essentially the same theory, but perturbing about different coupling constants?

However I have read that it's not always true that if a theory is massless, one always obtain obtain a zero mass shift.

In these notes for example:

http://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j...=-mHf2NPyluthnweklmsZzA&bvm=bv.47810305,d.bGE

at page 83 footnote 26.
 
Not all regularization schemes are very sensible,but it is expected that it should be zero.
 
andrien said:
Not all regularization schemes are very sensible,but it is expected that it should be zero.

Alright, but would you say that my argument above holds? I.e that the action of the renormalized theory must have the same properties as the bare theory and thus a symmetry of the Lagrangian in the bare theory is a symmetry in the renormalized Lagrangian?
 
Yes, it is easy to show (via formal manipulations of the path integral) that the effective action (which is finite) has the same symmetries as the classical action, provided that the functional measure in the path integral is invariant (this is not true when the symmetry is anomalous).
 

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