Renormalization (Electron self energy)

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of renormalization in quantum field theory, specifically focusing on the electron self-energy and the implications of imposing the tree-level result as a renormalization condition. Participants explore the relationship between the renormalized mass, the physical mass, and the complete propagator.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the rationale behind imposing the tree-level result as a renormalization condition, seeking clarification on why the physical mass corresponds to the shifted pole of the propagator.
  • Another participant suggests that the textbook being referenced should provide a proof that the two-point function has a momentum-space pole at the single particle mass, indicating that this is not directly related to matching the tree-level result.
  • A participant confirms their reference to Peskin and Schwartz's textbook, noting that it contains relevant information on the topic.
  • Another participant clarifies that the tree-level result is not the only renormalization condition, but rather one of many possible conditions, leading to different mass schemes, such as the "pole mass" of the particle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of imposing the tree-level result as a renormalization condition. There is no consensus on the rationale behind this choice, and multiple perspectives on renormalization conditions are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the concept of renormalization conditions and their implications for mass schemes, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying questions about the motivations for choosing specific conditions.

Aleolomorfo
Messages
70
Reaction score
4
Hello everybody!
I have a big question about the renormalization: I do not understand why the "renormalization condition" is to impose the tree level result. Now I will explain it better.
Let's take, for example, the electron self energy. The tree-level contribution is the simple fermionic propagator ##\frac{i}{\displaystyle{\not}p-m}##.
If I calculate the complete propagator (using the sum of all 1-particle-irreducible), the result is
$$\frac{i}{\displaystyle{\not}p-m-\Sigma(\displaystyle{\not}p,m)}$$
which is like the tree level result but the pole is shifted.
Renormalizing the electron self energy implies to redefine the electron mass. I define the "renormalized mass" as the position of the pole in the propagator. Consequently, to define the "physical measurable mass" I need to find the pole:
$$\displaystyle{\not}p-m-\Sigma(\displaystyle{\not}p,m)|_{\displaystyle{\not}p=m_R}=0$$
After finding the renormalized mass I Taylor-expand the full propagator arounf ##m_R## and to find exactly the tree level result (mutatis mutandis with the renormalized mass) I will need also to redefine the electronic field with ##Z_2##.
If I am not wrong this is the idea behind the renormalization of the electron self-energy. However, I do not understand why I want the tree level result and I redefine things to obtaint it. For example, why the "physical mass" , the one that I measure in an experiment, is the shifted pole of the propagator? I think I understand how to do the things but I do not understand why.
Thanks in advance!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What textbook are you using? It should contain a proof that the two point function has a momentum-space pole at the single particle mass. It's nothing to do with matching the tree-level result.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bhobba and dextercioby
I am using Peskin and Schwartz (QFT and the SM)
 
In Peskin and Schroeder section 7.1 has the proof that the interacting two point function has the pole I mentioned above.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bhobba
Aleolomorfo said:
I do not understand why the "renormalization condition" is to impose the tree level result. Now I will explain it better.

This is not THE renormalization condition, it is A renormalization condition, that was chosen in this example. The mass scheme that you get using this renormalization condition is called the "pole mass" of the particle.

You can chose different renormalization conditions, leading to different mass schemes.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K