Self-Heating Drinks: What's the Chemical Reaction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the chemical reactions involved in self-heating drinks and soups, comparing them to hand warmers. Participants explore the types of chemicals used, their reactions, and the potential for other safe heating combinations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that hand warmers use powdered iron which oxidizes in air to produce heat, while self-heating drinks typically use anhydrous calcium chloride and water for quicker heating.
  • Another participant questions the strength of different heating methods and suggests that the mass of reactants influences the total heat produced.
  • There are suggestions about controlling the heating speed through methods like gradual water addition or adjusting particle size of the salt.
  • A participant challenges the information about hand warmers, mentioning an alternative method involving the exothermic crystallization of supercooled molten materials, specifically sodium acetate.
  • Several participants express interest in finding resources or programs that could predict the outcomes of mixing various chemicals.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with self-heating meals, indicating their satisfaction with the product.
  • A question is raised about the possibility of purchasing the chemicals used in these heating processes separately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific chemicals and methods used in hand warmers and self-heating drinks, indicating that there is no consensus on the details of these reactions.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the chemicals and their reactions are not universally accepted, and there are unresolved questions regarding the safety and efficacy of alternative heating methods.

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I went to walmart and found these self heating drinks/soups. All you have to do is twist a knob and wait a couple minutes and its ready. After looking online i wasn't able to get a straight answer. Is there a difference between the warming chemicals in the soups vs. hand warmers.

I'm looking for information on what they use in those drinks, as well as other chemical reactions to release heat to heat something small like a drink. Are there more potent combinations that are still safe for people to use in things like the self heating drinks?
 
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The handwarmers use powdered iron which oxidises when exposed to air giving off heat - it is intended to be fairly slow and low power, to give a small amount of heat for hours.
The cup heaters use anhydrous calcium chloride and water to give a lot of heat fairly quickly.

see http://www.stress.com/consumertier3.php?pid=307
 
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so what makes some stronger than others
 
The mass of reactants present controls the total amount of heat.
You could control the speed of heating be either allowing the water in gradually, possible with some pourous membrane or by the particle size of the salt.
The final temperature is a mixture of how much drink you are trying to heat, the amount of insulation and the shape of the package
 
This is kind of a side question but is there a program or something that would tell if you mix this and that you come out with something.
 
mgb_phys said:
The handwarmers use powdered iron which oxidises when exposed to air giving off heat - it is intended to be fairly slow and low power, to give a small amount of heat for hours.
The cup heaters use anhydrous calcium chloride and water to give a lot of heat fairly quickly.

see http://www.stress.com/consumertier3.php?pid=307
In that link there is no mention of iron powder for handwarmers. Where did you take that interesting information? I only knew the method which exploits the exothermic crystallisation of supercooled molten materials (usually sodium acetate).
 
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noagname said:
This is kind of a side question but is there a program or something that would tell if you mix this and that you come out with something.

A decent chemistry section at your local library, if they have one.
 
noagname said:
This is kind of a side question but is there a program or something that would tell if you mix this and that you come out with something.
I agree with clouded.perception: what you ask is as simple as...the entire chemistry :smile:
 
I remember eating a self heating meal during a camping trip. Was quite good!
 
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is there anyway i could buy those chemicals separately
 

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