Semi-Classical Treatment of Spin Waves in Antiferromagnetic Systems

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The discussion revolves around the semi-classical treatment of spin waves in antiferromagnetic systems, exploring the validity and applicability of such an approach compared to quantum mechanical treatments. Participants seek to clarify the nuances of this topic, particularly in relation to existing literature and theoretical frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference P W Anderson's "Concepts in Solids" as a potential resource, though there is uncertainty about whether it adequately covers semi-classical treatments of spin waves.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of a semi-classical treatment for spin waves in antiferromagnetic systems, suggesting that it may not yield a reasonable approximation, particularly as the spin S approaches infinity.
  • Another participant argues that a semi-classical approach is indeed possible, likening it to the treatment of phonons and electrons, and emphasizes the role of quantum mechanics in providing necessary inputs alongside classical dynamics.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the appropriateness of semi-classical treatments in one-dimensional spin-1/2 antiferromagnets, where spinons and holons are deconfined, suggesting that such systems do not support spin waves as elementary particles.
  • A participant points out that Anderson may employ a semi-classical approximation in discussing antiferromagnetism and broken symmetry, particularly in the context of neglecting quantum fluctuations.
  • There is a reiteration of the argument that while semi-classical treatments can be postulated, their effectiveness as approximations in antiferromagnetic cases remains questionable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of semi-classical treatments for spin waves in antiferromagnetic systems, with no consensus reached on whether such an approach is appropriate or effective.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions and contexts in which "semi-classical" is applied, as well as unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the treatment of spin waves in different magnetic systems.

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Hey,

can anyone point me to some useful reading material on the semi-classical treatment of spin waves for the antiferromagnetic case? Thanks.
 
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P W Anderson, Concepts in solids, World Scientific, Singapore, 1997
 
DrDu said:
P W Anderson, Concepts in solids, World Scientific, Singapore, 1997
great book...

though not quite sure whether it treats spin waves semi-classically..

edit: in fact I just checked it and the treatment is completely quantum-mechanical.
 
Can you treat spin-waves in AF semi-classically? I seem to think that you don't get a reasonable limit as the spin S -> infinity --- it oscillates in behaviour on S being a half-integer and S being integer. (And that's ignoring possible lattice frustration.)
 
Yes, you can.

Just like you can semi-classically treat, phonons, electrons, etc..

you can treat "magnons" semi-clasically too.

Semi-classical,in this context, means an input from quantum mechanics (like dispersion relations, density of states, or effective mass which more or less give equivalent information) accompanied with classical dynamics equations.
 
No, I mean does it make for a good approximation (of course you *can* always just postulate a classical particle + corrections). Certainly in 1D spin-1/2 AF do not have spin waves as an elementary particle, since the spinon and holons are deconfined; in this case, I would say that a semi-classical treatment of spin-waves is not appropriate. Usually, in the ferromagnetic case, things are justified because S->infinity is a well defined limit in which we really do get spin waves, and we can argue for a 1/S expansion, in which case the leading order corrections can be seen as interactions. In the AF case, this can not be done analogously.
 
sokrates, I had a look at my copy again. Methinks that Anderson uses in the last chapter "anti-ferromagnetism and broken symmetry" basically a semi-classical approximation, especially the decoupling of the equation of motion, where he replaces the cross product of spin operators by their mean values, neglecting quantum fluctuations is a semi-classical argumentation.
 
DrDu said:
sokrates, I had a look at my copy again. Methinks that Anderson uses in the last chapter "anti-ferromagnetism and broken symmetry" basically a semi-classical approximation, especially the decoupling of the equation of motion, where he replaces the cross product of spin operators by their mean values, neglecting quantum fluctuations is a semi-classical argumentation.

Maybe semi-classical is used in a different context, here. I don't know what the OP needed. I am familiar with the usage I said above.

Just wondering, is Anderson, himself, saying it's a semi-classical treatment?
 
genneth said:
No, I mean does it make for a good approximation (of course you *can* always just postulate a classical particle + corrections). Certainly in 1D spin-1/2 AF do not have spin waves as an elementary particle, since the spinon and holons are deconfined; in this case, I would say that a semi-classical treatment of spin-waves is not appropriate. Usually, in the ferromagnetic case, things are justified because S->infinity is a well defined limit in which we really do get spin waves, and we can argue for a 1/S expansion, in which case the leading order corrections can be seen as interactions. In the AF case, this can not be done analogously.

I could not follow your argument. But "we can treat de-localized Bloch electrons as semi-classical particles using a band diagram coupled with Boltzmann equation" is what I really meant.
 

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