Senior Year HS Schedule: Preparing for Physicist Career

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriate high school course load for a student aspiring to become a physicist. Participants explore various classes, their rigor, and how they align with future physics studies, including calculus and physics courses.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the proposed schedule is manageable and recommend supplementing the Calculus AB class with more advanced textbooks or retaking it in college for better understanding.
  • Others argue for taking Calculus BC and Physics C instead of Calculus AB and Physics B, stating that more advanced classes would better prepare the student for a physics career.
  • A participant mentions that many schools require students to take Calculus AB before being allowed to take Calculus BC.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of a solid foundation in calculus before taking Physics C, with some asserting that Physics B can still provide valuable foundational knowledge.
  • Concerns are raised about the student's algebra and trigonometry skills, with one participant sharing their experience of struggling initially but finding the course manageable with a good teacher.
  • Another participant questions the time commitment of the Block Period for Physics B and suggests consulting the Calculus BC teacher regarding readiness for that course.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the best course choices and the prerequisites for success in advanced physics and calculus classes. No consensus is reached on a definitive course load or approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of a strong background in precalculus for success in Calculus BC, while others highlight the variability in school policies regarding course prerequisites. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the adequacy of high school AP courses in preparing students for college-level physics and mathematics.

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hello all
i want to be a physicist when i grow older, and i want to get started in high school taking the classes i need to be taking. Also, does it look like a managable course load? Here's what I've got so far:

English 4
Government/Economics AP
Spanish 3
Calculus AB AP
Computer Science A AP
Physics B AP (Block Period)
Physics B AP (Block Period)
 
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That looks very doable. In fact, if you find some extra time on your hands, maybe you could grab a calc book by apostol or courant for self-study.
 
Yes definitely supplement your Calculus class with a better textbook, or retake it in college as an honors class. A standard high school AP class can't help you really understand calculus all that well.
 
Hmm, in that case should i just take statistics instead and take calculus in college?
 
endi said:
hello all
i want to be a physicist when i grow older, and i want to get started in high school taking the classes i need to be taking. Also, does it look like a managable course load? Here's what I've got so far:

English 4
Government/Economics AP
Spanish 3
Calculus AB AP
Computer Science A AP
Physics B AP (Block Period)
Physics B AP (Block Period)

If you want to be a physicist I would recommend taking Calculus BC and Physics C instead of the ones you have (AB and B). You could also take both Statistics and Calculus BC. The more advanced classes you take, the more prepared you'll be.
 
EnSvensk said:
If you want to be a physicist I would recommend taking Calculus BC and Physics C instead of the ones you have (AB and B). You could also take both Statistics and Calculus BC. The more advanced classes you take, the more prepared you'll be.

I don't think many schools would allow students to skip Calc AB and go straight to BC. But I agree that Physics C would be a better choice than Physics B. Physics B covers mechanics and EM at a very basic level.
 
endi said:
English 4
Government/Economics AP
Spanish 3
Calculus AB AP
Computer Science A AP
Physics B AP (Block Period)
Physics B AP (Block Period)

Espanol 3 es la clase mas importante de la lista =P, todos los fisicos debieran hablar espanol... heheh
 
cordyceps said:
I don't think many schools would allow students to skip Calc AB and go straight to BC. But I agree that Physics C would be a better choice than Physics B. Physics B covers mechanics and EM at a very basic level.

I disagree. With a good background in precalculus (hopefully one that introduced limits and derivatives), there is no reason you shouldn't be able to get into Calc BC (unless of course, there is no precalc). Calculus AB spends way too much time on the basic notions of the limit (I doubt there are any epsilon-delta arguments) and derivatives. If you are strong at algebra, these concepts should not be hard to pick up.

On the other hand, you do really need to know how to do calculus before taking Physics C. Physics C delves into deeper topics, but without calculus, it will be harder to get very far. You can learn a lot from physics B, despite the lack of calculus (I think it even helps to see the difference). I took physics B and calculus BC as a senior and self-studied physics C on my own. Most of the knowledge that helped me do well on the Physics C exams was the fundamental material I learned in physics B.
 
sucks at my high school you HAVE to take AB Calc before you can take BC.
 
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snipez90 said:
On the other hand, you do really need to know how to do calculus before taking Physics C. Physics C delves into deeper topics, but without calculus, it will be harder to get very far. You can learn a lot from physics B, despite the lack of calculus (I think it even helps to see the difference). I took physics B and calculus BC as a senior and self-studied physics C on my own. Most of the knowledge that helped me do well on the Physics C exams was the fundamental material I learned in physics B.

Our Physics C: Mechanics class uses calculus rather conservatively. The calc we used primarily involved separable differential equations and one-variable integration, topics you can quickly learn. Perhaps the only topic in Physics C which requires a more solid grasp of calculus is harmonic motion, which utilizes a lot of differential equations. Granted, most things in mechanics can be modeled after differential equations, but the vast majority of problems you'll probably encounter can be solved without a solid grasp of more complicated DE's. On the other hand, Physics C: EM does require a working knowledge of calculus.

That's just my experience. You should probably ask the Physics C and Calc BC teacher about the class and your preparation.
 
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Hmmm, I might have misspoken. If the OP's intention is to learn the topics covered in physics C well, he would probably want a fairly solid foundation in calculus. The Physics C exams themselves will be straightforward for those who have a basic grasp of the fundamentals, but nevertheless, you still need to have some understanding of basic calculus (i.e. topics in the Calc AB curriculum).

I think the above schedule is actually fine. But if the OP has some familiarity with calculus, it would not hurt for him to find out if Calc BC may be appropriate for him. Cordyceps, I think you are right about the amount of differential equations knowledge you need to know. Many people thought there was a pretty hard DE question on the mechanics exam last year but it was really just a u-substitution plus some fairly tedious algebra.
 
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endi said:
hello all
i want to be a physicist when i grow older, and i want to get started in high school taking the classes i need to be taking. Also, does it look like a managable course load? Here's what I've got so far:

English 4
Government/Economics AP
Spanish 3
Calculus AB AP
Computer Science A AP
Physics B AP (Block Period)
Physics B AP (Block Period)

How much time per day is that Block Period for Physics B? Regarding the math, I would definitely talk to the Calculus BC teacher and see if you can handle it.

rwisz said:
My algebra skills are mediocre, my trig was non-existent. I failed the precalculus test that began the Calc BC course. And then everything became easy. The class is NOT difficult (and ours is a VERY thorough course), just have to pay attention and hope you have an amazing teacher like we do!

Calc BC is challenging, but manageable...I wouldn't say that it was not difficult.
 

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