Separation of variables - Getting the Fourier coefficients

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of Fourier coefficients in the context of solving partial differential equations (PDEs) using separation of variables. Participants are exploring the formulation of these coefficients and addressing potential issues in the provided solution, particularly regarding the dependence on time and the structure of the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty recalling how to derive the Fourier coefficients ##C_{m,n}## from the given solution for the PDE.
  • Another participant points out that the coefficients ##C_{m,n}## should not depend on time and suggests using initial conditions to determine them.
  • A participant questions the formulation of the solution, indicating a potential typo where ##y## does not appear in the right-hand side (RHS) of the equation, suggesting a different form may be needed.
  • There is a clarification that the coefficients ##C_{m,n}## are constants that depend solely on ##m## and ##n##, and a correction is made to include ##y## in the cosine function of the original expression.
  • A participant requests the original problem statement to better understand the context of the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the formulation of the solution or the role of the Fourier coefficients, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions regarding the initial conditions and the structure of the solution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the dependence of the coefficients on time and the correct formulation of the solution, which may affect the derivation of the Fourier coefficients.

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Using separation of variables I have found a Fourier series to solve a PDE. How do I find the coefficients?
Hey there!

I am current taking an introductory course on PDE's, and our professor hasn't really emphasized last part of solutions from separation of variables. Now its not strictly going to be on the exam, however I remember doing this with ease a few years back, but for some reason now I simply cannot recall, or translate my books explanation into action. This below is the solution

$$u(x,y,t)=\sum_{m=1}^{\infty}\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}C_{m,n}\cdot e^{-(m^2+n^2)\cdot t} \cdot \sin(m \cdot x) \cdot \cos(n \cdot y)$$

with ##(x,y,t) \in (0,\pi) \times (0,\pi) \times (0,\infty)##. I need an expression for ##C_{m,n}##, which seems pretty clear to me is the Fourier Coefficients. My attempt is to use the Fourier Transform:
$$C_{m,n}=\frac{1}{\pi} \cdot \int_{0}^{\pi} \frac{1}{\pi} \cdot \int_{0}^{\pi}u(x,y,t) \cdot e^{-i \cdot m \cdot x} \cdot e^{-i \cdot n \cdot y} dydx$$
However this seems odd. Can someone enlighten me?
 
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Your coefficients ##C_{n,m}## cannot depend on time. You need to use the initial condition to fix them.
 
Interesting, as the assignment I'm doing atm, askes for en expression of for ##C_{m,n}##, before going on to ask for the use of initial conditions in a later sub assignment. If I had taking time into account. Then what do I do?
 
I think there's a typo in your expression for ##u## since ##y## does not appear in the RSH. Could you post the problem that you're working on?

It's possible that you're looking for a solution of the form ##\sum_{n,m} c_{nm}(t)X_n(x)Y_m(y)## but in the expression that you have, it looks likely that the ##c_{nm}## are constants since a typical function of ##t## already appears.
 
Infrared said:
I think there's a typo in your expression for ##u## since ##y## does not appear in the RSH. Could you post the problem that you're working on?

It's possible that you're looking for a solution of the form ##\sum_{n,m} c_{nm}(t)X_n(x)Y_m(y)## but in the expression that you have, it looks likely that the ##c_{nm}## are constants since a typical function of ##t## already appears.

Yes I have made a correction. There should be a y in the cos function. ##C_{m,n}## shouldn't just look like it, they are constants, depending entirely on n and m. Also that is the problem I'm working on.

EDIT: If you wanted the original, problem here it is:
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