Set of 2-dimensional orthogonal matrices equal to an union of sets

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The discussion revolves around the properties and structure of the set of 2-dimensional orthogonal matrices, specifically exploring the decomposition of this set into two distinct subsets, denoted as D and S. Participants are tasked with proving certain properties related to orthonormal bases and transformations involving these matrices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the set of 2-dimensional orthogonal matrices can be expressed as the union of two sets, D and S, with the intersection being empty.
  • It is suggested that to show the orthonormality of the basis Bα, one must demonstrate that the vectors eα and fα are orthogonal and have unit length.
  • There is a discussion about whether the columns of the matrix sα can be expressed as a linear combination of the basis vectors eα and fα.
  • Participants question what can be deduced from the condition a^t a = u2, leading to the conclusion that the column vectors must satisfy certain orthogonality and normalization conditions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the coefficients in the linear combinations being matrices and whether the transformation properties of Bα can be used to derive M_{Bα}(σα).
  • There is a proposal that any vector of length 1 can be represented on the unit circle, leading to the forms (cos(α), sin(α)) and its orthogonal counterparts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove the properties of orthonormality and the representation of vectors in terms of the basis. However, there are multiple competing views on how to approach the proofs and whether certain assumptions can be taken as given.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the completeness of their arguments, particularly in proving that any vector can be expressed in the required forms and the implications of the orthogonality conditions.

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Hey! :giggle:

The set of $2$-dimensional orthogonal matrices is given by $$O(2, \mathbb{R})=\{a\in \mathbb{R}^{2\times 2}\mid a^ta=u_2\}$$ Show the following:

(a) $O(2, \mathbb{R})=D\cup S$ and $D\cap S=\emptyset$. It holds that $D=\{d_{\alpha}\mid \alpha\in \mathbb{R}\}$ and $S=\{s_{\alpha}\mid \alpha\in \mathbb{R}\}$, where $d_{\alpha}=\begin{pmatrix}\cos (\alpha) & -\sin (\alpha) \\ \sin (\alpha ) & \cos (\alpha )\end{pmatrix}$ and $s_{\alpha}=\begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha )& \sin (\alpha ) \\ \sin (\alpha) & -\cos(\alpha)\end{pmatrix}$.

(b) For all $\alpha\in \mathbb{R}$ is $B_{\alpha}$ an orthonormal basis of $\mathbb{R}^2$. It holds that $B_{\alpha}=(e_{\alpha}, f_{\alpha})$, where $e_{\alpha}\begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix}$ and $f_{\alpha}\begin{pmatrix}-\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix}$

(c) Calculate $M_{B_{\alpha}}(\sigma_{\alpha})$,where $\sigma_{\alpha}(x)=s_{\alpha}x$.

I have done the following :

(a) To show that $D\cap S=\emptyset$, we assume that this is not true, i.e. that there is a matrix that belongs to $D$ and to $S$. Then for some $\alpha\in \mathbb{R}$ it must hold that $-\sin (\alpha)= \sin (\alpha) \Rightarrow \sin (\alpha)=0$ and that $\cos (\alpha)= -\cos (\alpha) \Rightarrow \cos (\alpha)=0$. There is no such $\alpha$ and therefore the intersection is empty.

How can we show that $O(2, \mathbb{R})=D\cup S$ ?

(b) We have to show that $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$ are linearly independent, so that we can say that $B_{\alpha}$ is a basis of $\mathbb{R}^2$, right? To show also that itis an orthonormal basis, we have to show that the vectors $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$ are orthogonal, i.e. their dot product is equal to $0$ and that it is normal, i.e. that both vectors have length $1$, right?

(c) Do we have to write the columns of $s_{\alpha}$ as a linear combination of $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$ ? :unsure:
 
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mathmari said:
How can we show that $O(2, \mathbb{R})=D\cup S$ ?

Hey mathmari!

Suppose we consider a matrix $a$ with column vectors $\vec a$ and $\vec b$.
What can we deduce from the condition $a^t a = u_2$? 🤔

mathmari said:
(b) show that the vectors $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$ are orthogonal, i.e. their dot product is equal to $0$ and that it is normal, i.e. that both vectors have length $1$, right?
Yep. (Nod)

mathmari said:
(c) Do we have to write the columns of $s_{\alpha}$ as a linear combination of $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$ ?

What we need, is to find the images of $e_\alpha$ and $f_\alpha$ in terms of $e_\alpha$ and $f_\alpha$.
It may help to write $s_{\alpha}$ as a linear combination of $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$. :unsure:
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
Suppose we consider a matrix $a$ with column vectors $\vec a$ and $\vec b$.
What can we deduce from the conditions $a^t a = u_2$? 🤔

We have that $\vec{a}\cdot \vec{a}=\vec{b}\cdot \vec{b}=1$ and $\vec{a}\cdot \vec{b}=0$, right? :unsure:
Klaas van Aarsen said:
What we need, is to find the images of $e_\alpha$ and $f_\alpha$ in terms of $e_\alpha$ and $f_\alpha$.
It may help to write $s_{\alpha}$ as a linear combination of $e_{\alpha}$ and $f_{\alpha}$. :unsure:

Will the coefficients of the linear combination be matrices? :unsure:
 
mathmari said:
We have that $\vec{a}\cdot \vec{a}=\vec{b}\cdot \vec{b}=1$ and $\vec{a}\cdot \vec{b}=0$, right?

Yep. 🤔

mathmari said:
Will the coefficients of the linear combination be matrices?

Perhaps we should consider the matrix given by $B_\alpha$.
It transforms the unit vectors to $e_\alpha$ and $f_\alpha$.
So we should be able to construct $M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)$ using $B_\alpha$ and its inverse. 🤔
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Yep. 🤔

This properties are satisfied by the columns of the mayrices of $D$ and $S$, right? So does the desired result just follow then? :unsure:
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Perhaps we should consider the matrix given by $B_\alpha$.
It transforms the unit vectors to $e_\alpha$ and $f_\alpha$.
So we should be able to construct $M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)$ using $B_\alpha$ and its inverse. 🤔

We have that $B_{\alpha}= \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & - \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix}$.

Do you mean that $M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)=B_\alpha^{-1}B_\alpha$ ? :unsure:
 
mathmari said:
This properties are satisfied by the columns of the matrices of $D$ and $S$, right? So does the desired result just follow then?

Not necessarily.
That is what we still have to prove.
We have to prove that any $\vec a$ can be written as $(\cos\alpha,\sin\alpha)$. Can it?
And additionally that any $\vec b$ is either $(-\sin\alpha,\cos\alpha)$ or $(\sin\alpha,-\cos\alpha)$.
Can we prove that? 🤔
mathmari said:
Do you mean that $M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)=B_\alpha^{-1}B_\alpha$ ?

Close... but that right side is just identity isn't it. Something is missing... (Sweating)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Not necessarily.
That is what we still have to prove.
We have to prove that any $\vec a$ can be written as $(\cos\alpha,\sin\alpha)$. Can it?
And additionally that any $\vec b$ is either $(-\sin\alpha,\cos\alpha)$ or $(\sin\alpha,-\cos\alpha)$.
Can we prove that? 🤔

Do we prove that by proving that these two vectors are orthognal to each otherand have length $1$ ? :unsure:
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Close... but that right side is just identity isn't it. Something is missing... (Sweating)

Ah yes. Should it be $M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)=B_\alpha^{-1}(s_\alpha)B_\alpha$ ? :unsure:
 
mathmari said:
Do we prove that by proving that these two vectors are orthognal to each otherand have length $1$ ?

We should observe that any vector of length 1 must be on the unit circle, which implies that it can be written as $(\cos\alpha,\sin\alpha)$ for some $\alpha$.
And there are only 2 unit vectors that are orthogonal in 2 dimensions (dot product 0).
That is either $(\sin\alpha,-\cos\alpha)$ or $(-\sin\alpha,\cos\alpha)$. 🤔

mathmari said:
Ah yes. Should it be $M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)=B_\alpha^{-1}(s_\alpha)B_\alpha$ ?
Yep. (Nod)

And since $B_\alpha$ is an orthogonal matrix, its inverse is the same as its transpose. 🤔
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
We should observe that any vector of length 1 must be on the unit circle, which implies that it can be written as $(\cos\alpha,\sin\alpha)$ for some $\alpha$.
And there are only 2 unit vectors that are orthogonal in 2 dimensions (dot product 0).
That is either $(\sin\alpha,-\cos\alpha)$ or $(-\sin\alpha,\cos\alpha)$. 🤔

Can we just say that any vector of length 1 must be on the unit circle, which implies that it can be written as $(\cos\alpha,\sin\alpha)$ for some $\alpha$, or do we have to prove that? :unsure:
Klaas van Aarsen said:
And since $B_\alpha$ is an orthogonal matrix, its inverse is the same as its transpose. 🤔

So we have that
\begin{align*}M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)&=B_\alpha^T s_\alpha B_\alpha \\ & = \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ -\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha )& \sin (\alpha ) \\ \sin (\alpha) & -\cos(\alpha)\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & - \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \\ & = \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ -\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha )\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\sin (\alpha)\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )& -\cos (\alpha )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\sin (\alpha)\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin (\alpha )\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )-\cos (\alpha)\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & -\sin (\alpha )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )-\cos (\alpha)\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \\ & = \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ -\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )& \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix}
\\ & = \begin{pmatrix} \cos^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\sin^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )& 2\cos\left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ 0 & -\sin^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\cos^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \\ & = \begin{pmatrix} 1& 2\cos\left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ 0 & -\sin^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\cos^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \end{align*}

:unsure:
 
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mathmari said:
Can we just say that any vector of length 1 must be on the unit circle, which implies that it can be written as $(\cos\alpha,\sin\alpha)$ for some $\alpha$, or do we have to prove that?

Yes, we can just state that. (Nod)
mathmari said:
So we have that
\begin{align*}M_{B_\alpha}(\sigma_\alpha)&=B_\alpha^T s_\alpha B_\alpha \\ & = \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ -\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha )& \sin (\alpha ) \\ \sin (\alpha) & -\cos(\alpha)\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & - \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \\ & = \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ -\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos (\alpha )\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\sin (\alpha)\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )& -\cos (\alpha )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\sin (\alpha)\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin (\alpha )\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )-\cos (\alpha)\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & -\sin (\alpha )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )-\cos (\alpha)\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \\ & = \begin{pmatrix}\cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ -\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )& \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ \sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) & \cos \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix}
\\ & = \begin{pmatrix} \cos^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\sin^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )& 2\cos\left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ 0 & -\sin^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\cos^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \\ & = \begin{pmatrix} 1& 2\cos\left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\sin \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right ) \\ 0 & -\sin^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )+\cos^2 \left (\frac{\alpha}{2}\right )\end{pmatrix} \end{align*}

Looks about right, although I didn't check the calculations.
We can still simplify the result a bit more can't we? We can use the double angle formulas. 🤔
 

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