Set theory: Is my proof valid?

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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning set theory, specifically the relationship between subsets and set complements within a given universe U. The original poster attempts to prove that A is a subset of B if and only if the intersection of A and the complement of B is empty.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the validity of the original proof, noting the use of informal language and lack of specificity regarding quantifiers. There is a discussion about the necessity of proving two implications: one from subset to intersection and the other from intersection to subset. Some participants also raise concerns about assumptions made in the proof.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original proof and suggesting areas for improvement. There is a focus on clarifying definitions and ensuring rigorous logical reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the proof and the importance of formal language.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of assumptions regarding the non-emptiness of sets A and B, as well as a correction regarding the terminology used (complement vs. compliment). Participants are exploring the implications of these assumptions in the context of the proof.

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Homework Statement


Prove the following for a given universe U

A⊆B if and only if A∩(B compliment) = ∅

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The Attempt at a Solution


Assume A,B, (B compliment) are not ∅
if A∩(B compliment) = ∅, x∈A ∨ x∈ (B compliment), but not both

If x∈A ∧ x∉(B compliment), then x∈B , because if they are in the same U and A∩(B compliment) = ∅ then A∩B must have a common element.

Also A⊆B because if A was outside of B, then A∩(B compliment) ≠ ∅
 
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Your proof is not valid by the standards of a typical course in set theory. For example, you are using intuitive language such as "if A was outside of B" that has no formal definition.

You are not being specific about quantifiers. For example:

if A∩(B compliment) = ∅, x∈A ∨ x∈ (B compliment), but not both

You fail to quantify the variable "x". What you apparently mean is:

If ##A \cap B^c = \emptyset## then ##\forall x ( ( x \in A \lor x \in B^c) \land \lnot( x \in A \land x \in B^c))##.

You also fail to give a reason why that statement should be true. Apparently, you are relying on an intuitive picture of the situation. In elementary courses an intuitive argument may be acceptable.
 
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You mean "complement," not "compliment."

r0bHadz said:
Assume A,B, (B compliment) are not ∅
I'm not sure why you need this assumption.

if A∩(B compliment) = ∅, x∈A ∨ x∈ (B compliment), but not both
That's not necessarily true. x could be in neither A nor ##B^c##.

You need to prove two things.
  1. If ##A \subset B##, then ##A \cap B^c = \emptyset##.
  2. If ##A \cap B^c = \emptyset##, then ##A \subset B##.
For #2, for example, you would assume ##A \cap B^c = \emptyset##, then start with ##x \in A## and show that it logically leads to ##x \in B##.
 
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The law of excluded middle is healthy to know. For every subset A\subseteq U, where U is some fixed universe and for every x\in U it holds that x\in A or x\notin A (i.e x\in A^c). The result is immediate due to
<br /> X\lor Y \equiv \neg X\Rightarrow Y .<br />
Alternatively one may prove by contradiction. For instance, prove the forward direction. Assume A\subseteq B holds. Formally
<br /> \forall x\in U, x\in A\Rightarrow x\in B.<br />
Now, assume for a contradiction A\cap B^c\neq \emptyset. Formally
<br /> \exists x\in U, x\in A\land x\notin B.<br />
This is impossible since we assumed for every x\in U the implication x\in A\Rightarrow x\in B is true. So we have a contradiction, which we obtained by assuming A\cap B^c\neq\emptyset. This assumption must be false.
 
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r0bHadz said:

Homework Statement


Prove the following for a given universe U

A⊆B if and only if A∩(B compliment) = ∅

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Assume A,B, (B compliment) are not ∅
if A∩(B compliment) = ∅, x∈A ∨ x∈ (B compliment), but not both

If x∈A ∧ x∉(B compliment), then x∈B , because if they are in the same U and A∩(B compliment) = ∅ then A∩B must have a common element.

Also A⊆B because if A was outside of B, then A∩(B compliment) ≠ ∅

Learn on this occasion that the word is "complement".
It is related to the word complete.
Or think of a ship's complement - the number that needs to be made up to create a properly working crew.

Compliment is "a polite expression of praise or admiration".
Nothing logical – they both have the exact same Latin root, and originally even the same spelling in English - idea is a plain statement, answer, greeting, etc will often be regarded as by itself insufficient, needing to be complemented by a compliment.
 

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