Shear viscosity and Capillary Rheometer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of shear viscosity and the operation of a capillary rheometer, including how shear stresses and shear rates are calculated. Participants explore the relationship between shear viscosity, flow rates, and the behavior of molten plastics under shear forces, with a focus on measurement techniques and parameters like melt index and intrinsic viscosity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe shear viscosity as dependent on temperature and shear forces, noting that it typically decreases with increased shear.
  • There is a question about how a capillary rheometer calculates shear stresses, with one participant suggesting it is based on the pressure applied at the top of the molten plastic.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between output flow rate from the rheometer orifice and shear strain rate, with a suggestion that a larger flow rate correlates with a larger strain rate.
  • One participant emphasizes the non-slip condition at the wall of the channel, questioning its implications for viscosity measurement.
  • The melt index (MFI) is mentioned as a parameter for comparing polymers, with a caution that comparisons across different polymer families can be misleading.
  • There is mention of intrinsic viscosity (IV) as an alternative measure for some polymers, with a participant asking for clarification on its relevance.
  • One participant points out that IV relates to the molecular weight of the polymer and its zero shear viscosity but does not address shear thinning behavior or viscoelasticity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the definitions and implications of shear viscosity and the non-slip condition at the wall. However, there are differing views on the interpretation of the melt index and the appropriateness of using MFI for comparisons across different polymers, indicating unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that shear rate, not shear strain, is crucial for calculating shear viscosity. There are also references to established techniques for determining shear rates, suggesting a reliance on specific methodologies that may not be fully detailed in the discussion.

fog37
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Hello Forum,

I have some conceptual doubts about shear viscosity and would like some help if possible. In general, viscosity depends both on temperature and on shear forces (more strongly on shear forces).

"Shear viscosity" is the viscosity that a molten plastic assumes when the molten fluid is subjected to shear forces that put it in motion, make the fluid layers slide one over the other. This happens when the molten plastic is pushed through a channel/pipe or mixed it. For most fluids, the shear viscosity decreases with shear (thinning).

That said, a capillary rheometer is the device used to measure shear viscosity versus shear strain rate (1/s). This device pushes the molten plastic through a small orifice once a certain pressure is applied at the top. Based on the molten plastic output flow rate, the shear viscosity is calculated. Inside a cylindrical pipe the molten plastic assumes a parabolic profile (more or less). This velocity profile represent the velocity gradient. The v gradient is related to the shear rate of deformation of the plastic. The smaller v gradient the less the fluid layers interact with each other. By knowing the shear strain rate of deformation and the shear forces we can determine the viscosity (slope of the graph).

How does the capillary rheometer calculate the shear stresses? Indirectly, by knowing the pressure applied at the top of the molten plastic?

How does the output flow rate from the rheometer orifice relate to the v gradient and to the shear strain rate of deformation? The larger the output flow rate the larger the strain rate?

thanks!
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Hi fo37,

What is the context of your questions? Is this for schoolwork, or for measurements in your company's lab?
 
fog37 said:
How does the capillary rheometer calculate the shear stresses? Indirectly, by knowing the pressure applied at the top of the molten plastic?

In the capillary rheometer, you are trying to determine the shear stress at the wall as a function of the shear rate at the wall. The shear stress at the wall is related to the pressure drop by (neglecting the exit effect):

$$\tau = \frac{DΔP}{4L}$$
How does the output flow rate from the rheometer orifice relate to the v gradient and to the shear strain rate of deformation? The larger the output flow rate the larger the strain rate?

Determining the shear rate at the wall from measurements of the flow rate and wall shear stress is done by well-established techniques. As a first approximation, the shear rate at the wall is just the Newtonian result, 8V/D. However, this is usually not accurate enough. The techniques for determining the shear rate at the wall are discussed in any book on rheology. Google Rabinowitch equation.

If you have a commercial viscometer, it should come with a users manual. You can also probably Google Capillary Viscometer or Capillary Rheometer and get the gory details.

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Thank you Chet.

So, to calculate the shear viscosity we need data for the shear stress and shear strain which are indirectly obtained. It makes sense that the normal compressive pressure at the top will induce shear, tangential forces at the wall of the channel. But exactly at the wall the molten polymer should adhere to the wall (non slip condition) no matter the type of viscosity, correct?

The melt index (or MFI or MFR) is a parameter calculated at a single shear stress condition and serves to compare polymers of the same family (the lower MFI the more viscous). Comparing the MFI of different polymers can be misleading, correct?

Some polymers are not rated using MFI but using IV (intrinsic viscosity of solution viscosity). Do you know why?

best,
fog37
 
fog37 said:
Thank you Chet.

So, to calculate the shear viscosity we need data for the shear stress and shear strain
No. Shear rate, not shear strain.
which are indirectly obtained. It makes sense that the normal compressive pressure at the top will induce shear, tangential forces at the wall of the channel. But exactly at the wall the molten polymer should adhere to the wall (non slip condition) no matter the type of viscosity, correct?
Yes. So?
The melt index (or MFI or MFR) is a parameter calculated at a single shear stress condition and serves to compare polymers of the same family (the lower MFI the more viscous). Comparing the MFI of different polymers can be misleading, correct?
Yes, sometimes. It's a quick and dirty method.
Some polymers are not rated using MFI but using IV (intrinsic viscosity of solution viscosity). Do you know why?
You need to get yourself a textbook on Polymer Science. Otherwise, you are wasting your time speculating about these things.

IV is a measure of the molecular weight of the polymer. It is related to the zero shear viscosity of the polymer, but doesn't relate to either shear thinning behavior of the polymer or to polymer viscoelasticity.

Chet
 

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