Estimating drag using only a temperature profile

In summary, the Reddit thread discusses the possibility of estimating drag using only a temperature profile. While it may be possible in theory, it is not practical and can only be done in limited cases. The level of complexity involved and the number of variables make it difficult to accurately convert temperature into drag. It is also important to consider other factors, such as turbulence, that may affect the amount of drag.
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I was reading this thread on Reddit about estimating drag using only a temperature profile. I was reading the responses, and I feel like most of them are missing something. Since this forum is more science-focused, what do you guys think?

I am not a member of Reddit, but if I was this would be my answer:

In theory, if you could measure the temperature field perfectly, you would have enough information to know some of the terms in the energy portion of the N-S equation. NASA provides a good picture: So essentially, you'd be able to know the E terms (using cp*T), the q terms (the heat flux), but you could not determine the shear stress, or the velocity components, u,v,w, and the pressure field unless you assumed P=rho*R*T.

This leaves a few cases:
If you had a body with no separation, you might be able to measure the heat generated in the boundary layer and compute the velocity profile. For simple cases like the flat plate you can even find exact solutions. From this information you could compute the viscous drag

If you assume P=rho*R*T and neglect viscosity You can figure out the magnitude of the velocity field, since you simply have the advective acceleration of the flow at that point equaling the pressure gradient.

If you a assume 1 or 2 dimensional flow
There might be some special cases where you can get an exact solution.

So overall:
It isn't practical
It can be done only in limited cases
For difficult and interesting problems, the answer is not without more information.
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Off the top of my head, I can't think of any way this would work. There are still too many variables involved. It seems to me that the level of complexity required to use a temperature field as the initial conditions required to solve for the flow around a body essentially boils doing to doing a full DNS on the problem, and that is not currently an economical option for vehicle-sized problems (computational time scales with ##Re^3##). Trying to find a simpler way to convert temperature into drag other than through the governing equations doesn't seem feasible to me.

That said, the reddit thread that you linked was basically asking if the temperature of the body could be measured in order to compute drag, which essentially boils down to asking if you can estimate drag based on the heat transfer into the body. This seems doubtful to me as well, since there are any number of ways that such heat transfer could occur that would result in different amounts of drag, e.g. turbulence occurring in different locations may result in the same net heat transfer without the same net drag.

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