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The discussion centers around the differences in mathematics education between high schools in Australia and the United States, particularly focusing on the curriculum and availability of advanced math courses. Participants explore historical perspectives and current practices in both countries.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in Australia, students typically study advanced math topics like Differential Equations and Multivariable Calculus in their final years of high school, questioning the comparability of US high school math education.
  • Another participant reflects on their experience in the 1970s, indicating that their high school offered calculus and advanced courses, but acknowledges variability in the quality of US high schools based on funding and community interest in math education.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the credibility of certain news sources, suggesting that discussions around education may be influenced by media portrayals.
  • There is mention of the acceleration of math topics in Australian schools compared to the US, with a focus on the distinction between 'good' high schools and others in both countries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are significant differences in math education between Australia and the US, but multiple competing views remain regarding the extent and implications of these differences. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the overall quality or structure of math education in either country.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in comparing educational systems, including the variability in school funding, community values, and the definitions of what constitutes a 'good' school. There are also unresolved questions about the impact of these factors on student outcomes.

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Out here in Aus, those interested in math do the equivalent of your Calculus BC in year 10 and 11. In year 12, they do 4 university subjects such as Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, Multivariable Calculus and Probability and Statistics.

What is going on in the US? I know that the average US HS does not have as advanced a math syllabus as we do in Australia, but schools like Phillips Exeter are beyond what even our best schools offer. They are the students you expect to go to UCSD, not the average HS student. Or am I missing something?

Thanks
Bill
 
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In the 1970s, my public high school had calculus courses and I believe a year beyond that. Taking the courses was a decision made about when entering HS since there were different class sequences to enter into. I even had some friends who were able to take courses at local colleges.

However, it turns out I went to a good high school in a wealthy area, and it was well funded. There is a lot of variability in the quality of US high schools. Areas where people don't have a lot of interest or respect for learning math are not going to support such courses (which will have an expense).
 
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PeroK said:
I'm shocked that anyone would believe anything on that news channel.

We get US Fox News here, too.

I know what you mean.

I mostly watch for comic relief and say, "Pass the popcorn."

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Bill
 
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BillTre said:
In the 1970s, my public high school had calculus courses and I believe a year beyond that. Taking the courses was a decision made about when entering HS since there were different class sequences to enter into.

Here, it's the same sequence, but what is done in 7, 8, 9, 10 is accelerated a bit, so it's done in 7, 8, 9.

Like the US, not all schools offer it. Mostly it's what you call the 'good' HS's.

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Bill
 
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