Should I Give Up My Dream of Being a Mathematician?

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The discussion centers around the challenges and uncertainties faced by a participant contemplating their future as a mathematician after struggling with coursework in graduate-level classes. The conversation explores themes of perseverance, alternative paths, and personal satisfaction in the context of academic demands and life responsibilities.

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  • One participant expresses discouragement about their performance in graduate classes, citing a heavy workload and personal responsibilities as contributing factors.
  • Another participant encourages persistence, suggesting that the initial struggles may be part of a typical adjustment period in graduate school.
  • Some participants propose that exploring different subjects or studying independently might be beneficial, particularly if the current classes are not aligned with the participant's interests or goals.
  • There is a suggestion that success in academia may require more time and flexibility, especially for those balancing family and work commitments.
  • One participant shares a personal belief that everyone has multiple paths to success and fulfillment, regardless of whether they continue in mathematics.
  • Several comments reflect on the nature of persistence and its limits, using historical examples to illustrate different perspectives on success and effort.
  • A later reply discusses the participant's test-taking experience, noting a tendency to fixate on difficult questions, which affects overall performance.
  • The participant expresses an interest in number theory and considers focusing on that area, despite program requirements for qualifying exams in Analysis and Algebra.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of different algebra textbooks for self-study, indicating a desire to improve understanding in that subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express support for the original poster's aspirations, but there are multiple competing views regarding the best approach to overcoming academic challenges. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for the participant.

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Some participants note the importance of personal circumstances, such as family responsibilities and work commitments, which may affect academic performance and choices. There is also mention of specific program requirements that may limit flexibility in course selection.

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This discussion may be useful for graduate students in mathematics or related fields facing similar challenges, as well as those considering their long-term academic and career goals in the context of personal responsibilities.

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I thought it was my dream to be a mathematician. I got accepted to a very good school with a brilliant math department. But after the first semester it seems like the assignments were too much for me to handle. I had two grad classes Analysis and Algebra. I did well with Analysis and kept up on my assignments, but the Algebra one was just too fast paced and by the end I couldn't even understand the questions on the homework assignments.

Anyway this semester is drawing to a close and I am very discouraged with my performance. I think having a wife, A full time job and taking two classes was way too much, but I am not even sure that I could handle one. I don't want to waste my money nor the professor's time if I don't have what it takes.

This is very sad indeed since I think about math all the time and love it so. There is just no time in my life to treat it properly.

Thanks for listening.
 
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there are three rules in getting what you want in life:
1) never give up.
2) never give up
3) never give upif you were accepted, then you DO have what it takes to succeed there.

go talk to some helpful person in the department, about how you feel.

probably you are just suffering first year adjustment.

grad school is VERY demanding, but it can be done, and afterwards you have access to the life you dreamed about.

or maybe you may wind up in a different program, with less intense demands. but you can still realize your dream, if you want it and your married life can stand it.
 
There are more than three rules, here are some more:

4) Pursue a better, or a least another, dream.

Or:

5) Want what you get (Epictetus)

Or:

6) Read stoic philosophy, at least until you get to 5). It's more interesting than algebra, at least for me (even though I got 'A's in algebra).
 
In your case, it may be better to study math subjects like algebra yourself using college notes or books. You can then take as much time as you need to master the subject.
 
Maybe you should just take different classes? Sounds like your 2 classes, Analysis and Algebra, were taken for quals? Were you hoping to do research in either of those areas? If not, take a class in Topology or PDE or Dyn. Syst. or ... by the sound of it you did just fine in your Analysis class and it seems like that would carry you further in those classes than Algebra would. I remember "getting" Algebra until Ring Theory and then it all went ... (though we did rush a lot of it).
 
You can absolutely do it if you want to. You may take more time than the average student, or you may not be able to work full time the whole way through the program; this can be a difficult matter for someone with family responsibilities. But hard work and persistence matter more than just about anything.

On the other hand, if you do decide to do something else, you can also be successful and happy. I am personally convinced that our creator endows each of us with abilities and interests (plural) with which to make a living, achieve personal satisfaction, and contribute to our communities.

So it's up to you. Be confident in yourself, give yourself enough chance to achieve the goal you have set, but even if you decide the program is not right for you, there will still be many paths you can take.
 
It is funny but stubborn people get what they want after a period of time.
Like Thomas Edison who tried 1000 times for inventing electricity bulb. All of us would look him as a fool trying this much , but he succeeded and we all use bulbs in our houses.
Success needs passion and enormous endeavour , trust in yourself and you will not have a chance to fail !
 
CylonMath said:
It is funny but stubborn people get what they want after a period of time.
Like Thomas Edison who tried 1000 times for inventing electricity bulb. All of us would look him as a fool trying this much , but he succeeded and we all use bulbs in our houses.
Success needs passion and enormous endeavour , trust in yourself and you will not have a chance to fail !

he didnt invent the light bulb, he perfected it. and i don't think it took 1000 tries. persistance can only get you so far.
 
Yes but misquoting facts will get you everywhere!
 
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khemix said:
he didnt invent the light bulb, he perfected it. and i don't think it took 1000 tries. persistance can only get you so far.
This is a little off-topic, but strangely I couldn't find anything online which either disproves or proves that Edison tried 1000 times before he succeeded. Even Snopes.com doesn't have it.
 
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so epictetus started the theme that led to "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with".

(i also seem to remember that epictetus was a slave, which likely influenced his attitude.)
 
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This is a loser-miNded point of view. You can always love what you cannot have.
 
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Thanks all for your reply's.

I do find that I take longer than average. When I took the GRE's I didn't get through all 66 questions but of the questions I did do I only got one wrong. I am sure that if i had more time I could have gotten a higher mark. But it ended up being good enough to get me into a good school.

I find this on the homework sets as well. My main problem is that I physically can not move on to the next question if I can't answer one. I can't stop my brain from thinking about it enough to focus on the next question.

@NoMoreExams
I really enjoy number theory. So yea maybe I need to focus on something else. My program does require me to pass an Analysis and Algebra qualifying exam though (and then 2 optional ones, 1 speciality one)

@Count Iblis
Absolutely it might. I have Artin's and Lang's algebra book, which one would you recommend to start with?

Thanks again all
 

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