Should I have learned real analysis before taking complex analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by students in a complex analysis course, particularly regarding the necessity of prior knowledge in real analysis. Participants share their experiences and perspectives on how background in real analysis may influence understanding of complex analysis concepts such as the Cauchy-Goursat theorem and Laurent series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding complex analysis topics and questions whether real analysis would have been beneficial.
  • Another participant notes that a typical complex analysis course does not require real analysis, but may require advanced calculus.
  • Several participants share personal experiences, indicating that complex analysis can be challenging even without a background in real analysis.
  • One participant suggests that real analysis may provide experience with rigorous mathematics but feels that complex analysis itself can aid in understanding real analysis.
  • Another participant mentions that the breadth of topics in complex analysis can be overwhelming compared to the depth found in real analysis and algebra courses.
  • Some participants discuss their struggles with proofs in complex analysis, highlighting differences in their experiences with algebra and linear algebra.
  • A recommendation is made for a specific textbook, "Visual Complex Analysis" by Needham, as a potential resource for better understanding complex analysis.
  • One participant reassures others that difficulties in analysis courses are common and that it often improves with time.
  • A suggestion is made that a good grasp of geometric proofs may be useful in understanding complex analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity of real analysis for success in complex analysis, with no clear consensus on whether it is essential or merely helpful. The discussion reflects a variety of personal experiences and opinions regarding the challenges of complex analysis.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the teaching styles and course structures may vary, which could influence the perceived necessity of real analysis. Additionally, there are mentions of specific topics that participants found particularly challenging, indicating that individual experiences may differ significantly.

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Hi I am taking summer class in complex analysis and I am having a horrible time.
I don't understand anything we've covered so far, e.g. Cauchy-Goursat theorem, Laurent series, series expansion, etc.

The prereqs was just Calc III, which I got an A- in.

The textbook isn't much help either, so I might see if it gets any better after I borrow a different book from the library.

Though not a prerequisite for this class, would real analysis have helped me understand the topics in complex analysis much better? How should I approach analysis? I am in need of dire help

Thank you
 
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A usual course in complex analysis does not require a course in real analysis, although it might need advanced calculus.
 
Are you having trouble because it's a proof based class, or because you feel that you don't know the prerequisites, or something else?
 
I was in your exact situation last fall. Took calc 3 but not real analysis and I took complex analysis. It's a tough class. I also found laurent series to be the hardest part of the course. My prof gave the class a big curve though because more than half of the class withdrew and the highest grade of the rest was like a B-. Good luck.

*ended up with a B
 
Personally, I did not feel that I needed real analysis to succeed in complex analysis (I also took complex prior to real). The only benefit that I think real analysis would have offered is some additional experience with rigorous, proof-based mathematics (but I feel that complex analysis helped me with real analysis in this same way).

I do think the transition from your typical calculus course that focuses on problem-solving into analysis of any kind is difficult if you've never been exposed to that level of mathematical rigor.
 
Office_Shredder said:
Are you having trouble because it's a proof based class, or because you feel that you don't know the prerequisites, or something else?

No, I think it's just that I totally suck at analysis. I took algebra and linear algebra (300 and 400 level courses) which had plenty of proofs. I was also taking differential equations last semester but ended up dropping it.

Proofs I am fine with, but it just something about complex analysis I don't really get.
 
stgermaine said:
No, I think it's just that I totally suck at analysis. I took algebra and linear algebra (300 and 400 level courses) which had plenty of proofs. I was also taking differential equations last semester but ended up dropping it.

Proofs I am fine with, but it just something about complex analysis I don't really get.

Can you describe why you thought algebra and linear algebra were not so difficult and why complex analysis is difficult? What makes it hard?

I recommend you to get the book visual complex analysis by Needham: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198534469/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
It was a prerequisite for me. I took complex after real and I didn't feel like I was benefitted in a major way, other than being able to breeze through some of the basic limits/continuity proofs.

Of course classes are taught differently everywhere, but the main thing that irked me about complex analysis was the number of topics. As opposed to real analysis, linear algebra, and algebra that focused deeper on a shorter list of topics, my complex analysis contained a much larger breadth of material without as much depth (my class used Brown and Churchill). I guess this is because certain results were generalizations of the already-well-covered topics in real analysis.
 
micromass said:
Can you describe why you thought algebra and linear algebra were not so difficult and why complex analysis is difficult? What makes it hard?

I recommend you to get the book visual complex analysis by Needham: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198534469/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I feel like algebra proceeded in a fairly step by step way. First you covered basic number theory. Then Euclid's algorithm, then you go into GCD and modular arithmetic, then Euler's totient theorem, etc.

Complex analysis I guess does go in steps, covering complex variables first, then learning about complex differentiation, Green's theorem, line/contour integrals, and moving on to Cauchy's Theorem and Laurent series. I guess it's that there is a lot of visualization involved, which is something I didn't really need for algebra.

For example, when learning about Euler's totient theorem, I had a fairly solid base that i could follow the proof without being confused too much. When I see the proof for Cauchy's Integral theorem, I feel like there are large 'gaps' in the proof, or rather my understanding of the proof.
 
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don't despair. we all suffered with our first analysis course as this is where one first encounters super precise and picky arguments. it gets better.
 
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A good grasp of geometric proofs is useful.
 

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