Should We Eat Meat If the Animal Wants to Be Eaten?

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The discussion revolves around the ethical implications of consuming meat from animals that have been genetically modified to desire being eaten, as presented in Douglas Adams' "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe." Participants explore various philosophical questions regarding the nature of consent, the morality of altering an animal's instincts, and the broader implications of such modifications on human behavior and ethics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the willingness of an animal to be eaten changes the ethical considerations of consuming meat, particularly if the animal has been altered to lack self-preservation instincts.
  • There is a discussion on whether artificially altering an animal's desires is morally acceptable, with some arguing that it is wrong if the animal would not naturally choose such a fate.
  • Participants explore the concept of "natural" choices and whether it is justified to alter desires to reflect necessity, raising questions about the nature of free will and informed decision-making.
  • Some argue that there is a distinction between natural choices and those influenced by external factors, such as propaganda or genetic modification.
  • One participant suggests that humans may be genetically predisposed to crave meat, regardless of ethical considerations, and questions whether this instinct can be overridden.
  • There is speculation on whether any being can truly choose death over life, even if it serves a purpose, and how this relates to the concept of brainwashing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the ethical implications of consuming meat from genetically modified animals, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the complexity of the issues raised, while others hold firm positions on the morality of altering animal instincts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights various assumptions about consent, the nature of choice, and the implications of genetic modification, which remain unresolved and open to interpretation.

  • #31
MOO
(Most cows Object to Obliteration)
 
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  • #32
Greetings !
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
Well, I don't think that the degree of want is the only deciding factor. It is possible that a person could want something incredibly bad for him, but wants it incredibly badly. Look at drug addicts. Many will do anything to get the drugs that are the source of their own torment and destruction.

Who said its a torment for them and who says its their
distruction ? To you it may seem so, but what really matters
is what they think (or at least feel ).

Live long and prosper.
 
  • #33
Originally posted by drag
Greetings !

Who said its a torment for them and who says its their
distruction ? To you it may seem so, but what really matters
is what they think (or at least feel ).

Live long and prosper.

I do.

It being eaten did not cause it torment, it would either have to be A) incredibly drugged, or B) not a carbon-based organism with conscious abilities--and I don't think that not being carbon-based would necessarily preclude it being tormented.

It is their destruction, unless you only take a leg or something. If you destroy the brain function, there is no more conscious entity.

If it would feel pain as I think that it would, then it would think/feel that, too, because pain is something that you feel.
If it was dead, it would be able to think or feel anything, hence it being destroyed.
 
  • #34
What if the Cow is genetically engineered to be non-conscious but responsive, and intelligently responsive so as to convince the average restaurant diner that they actually do think, and that they actually do 'want' to be eaten?

What then?
 

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