Should You Stick or Switch? A Modified Monty Hall Problem

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The discussion revolves around a modified version of the Monty Hall problem involving four doors, with two goats and two cars behind them. Participants explore the implications of sticking with the initially chosen door versus switching to one of the remaining doors after one goat door is revealed by Monty Hall. The scope includes theoretical reasoning, probability calculations, and intuitive interpretations of the problem.

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  • One participant proposes a modification of the Monty Hall problem with four doors, two goats, and two cars, questioning the optimal strategy of sticking or switching.
  • Another participant calculates the probabilities of winning if one sticks with the original choice versus switching, suggesting that switching generally yields a higher probability of winning.
  • Some participants argue that the act of Monty revealing a goat door increases the probability of the remaining doors having a prize, thus favoring the switch strategy.
  • Intuitive examples are provided, such as extending the problem to 100 doors, where switching seems advantageous due to the large number of revealed goat doors.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of Monty's knowledge when opening doors, with some suggesting that if Monty is intentionally avoiding the prize door, it affects the probabilities differently than if he were opening doors randomly.
  • One participant introduces the concept of bias in the probabilities introduced by Monty's actions, suggesting that it creates a systematic advantage for switching.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of Monty's actions and the resulting probabilities. While some calculations suggest that switching is advantageous, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of Monty's knowledge and the overall strategy.

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Participants discuss various assumptions regarding Monty's behavior and the definitions of bias in the context of the problem. The mathematical steps and reasoning presented rely on specific conditions that may not be universally accepted.

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Monty Hall problem is modified to 2 cars and 2 goats
I modify the Monty Hall problem a bit. Suppose there are 4 doors and behind
each door either a goat or a car out of a pool of 2 goats and 2 cars. You choose a door at random and in comes Monty Hall who always opens a door with a goat behind it. He opens just one door for you and asks you if you would like to stick to your door or pick either of the two remaining doors. What should you do?
 
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gptejms said:
Summary:: Monty Hall problem is modified to 2 cars and 2 goats

I modify the Monty Hall problem a bit. Suppose there are 4 doors and behind
each door either a goat or a car out of a pool of 2 goats and 2 cars. You choose a door at random and in comes Monty Hall who always opens a door with a goat behind it. He opens just one door for you and asks you if you would like to stick to your door or pick either of the two remaining doors. What should you do?
Switch.
 
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Suppose there are ##g## goats and ##c## cars. If we stick, then the probability of winning is$$p_0 = \frac{c}{c+g}$$If we switch, then the probability of winning is
$$p_1 = \bigg ( \frac{c}{c+g} \bigg ) \bigg ( \frac{c - 1}{c + g -2} \bigg ) + \bigg ( \frac{g}{c+g}\bigg ) \bigg ( \frac{c}{c + g -2} \bigg ) = \bigg (\frac{c}{c+g} \bigg ) \bigg (\frac{c+g - 1}{c + g -2}\bigg )$$Hence:
$$p_1 = p_0 \bigg (\frac{c+g - 1}{c + g -2}\bigg )$$And, in all cases, we have ##p_1 > p_0##. E.g. for ##c = 1, g = 2##:
$$p_0 = \frac 1 3, \ p_1 = \frac 2 3$$Or, in your example, with ##c =2, g = 2##:
$$p_0 = \frac 1 2, \ p_1 = \frac 3 4$$
 
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gptejms said:
always opens a door with a goat behind it. He opens just one door for you and asks you if you would like to stick to your door or pick either of the two remaining doors.
Anything that [EDIT} intentionally filters out some goat doors from the unchosen doors, increases the probability of the remaining unchosen doors having a prize. That makes their probability of having the prize greater than for your door.
 
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Not what OP was asking, but a great intuitive way to think about it is increase to 100 doors, 99 goats, 1 car. You choose, and then the host opens 98 doors and asks you if you want to switch. It feels very intuitive that switching is in your best interest.
 
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joshmccraney said:
Not what OP was asking, but a great intuitive way to think about it is increase to 100 doors, 99 goats, 1 car. You choose, and then the host opens 98 doors and asks you if you want to switch. It feels very intuitive that switching is in your best interest.
Yes. In post #4, I should have said "intentionally filters out some goat doors". If you know that Monte is avoiding the prize door, then the 98 goat doors that he opens are a clear indicator that the prize is behind the door he avoided.
On the other hand, if you know that Monte is just blindly opening doors with no knowledge of where the prize is, then you must resign yourself to the fact that you have just witnessed a very strange run of luck and your door is just as likely as the remaining door to have the prize.
 
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FactChecker said:
Yes. In post #4, I should have said "intentionally filters out some goat doors". If you know that Monte is avoiding the prize door, then the 98 goat doors that he opens are a clear indicator that the prize is behind the door he avoided.
On the other hand, if you know that Monte is just blindly opening doors with no knowledge of where the prize is, then you must resign yourself to the fact that you have just witnessed a very strange run of luck and your door is just as likely as the remaining door to have the prize.
Deal or no deal comes to mind (not sure if you've ever heard of this show). At the end, with two boxes left, it's entirely 50-50 on what you have and what you don't despite 24 boxes being opened owing to the reason you said: it was random and not intentional.
 
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PeroK said:
Suppose there are ##g## goats and ##c## cars. If we stick, then the probability of winning is$$p_0 = \frac{c}{c+g}$$If we switch, then the probability of winning is
$$p_1 = \bigg ( \frac{c}{c+g} \bigg ) \bigg ( \frac{c - 1}{c + g -2} \bigg ) + \bigg ( \frac{g}{c+g}\bigg ) \bigg ( \frac{c}{c + g -2} \bigg ) = \bigg (\frac{c}{c+g} \bigg ) \bigg (\frac{c+g - 1}{c + g -2}\bigg )$$Hence:
$$p_1 = p_0 \bigg (\frac{c+g - 1}{c + g -2}\bigg )$$And, in all cases, we have ##p_1 > p_0##. E.g. for ##c = 1, g = 2##:
$$p_0 = \frac 1 3, \ p_1 = \frac 2 3$$Or, in your example, with ##c =2, g = 2##:
$$p_0 = \frac 1 2, \ p_1 = \frac 3 4$$
Nice work! I would have been happy with 1/2, 3/4, but you have done it for the general case! If I define bias as the difference between probability of a biased outcome and that of an unbiased outcome, then we can say that Monty Hall by opening a goat door introduces a bias of $$p_1-p_0=\frac{p_0}{c+g-2}$$ (in this case) into the system.
 
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