Shouldn't that radiation be absorbed increasing O2 kinetic energy?

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The discussion revolves around the absorption of UV radiation by O2 molecules and whether such absorption could increase the kinetic energy of O2. Participants explore the quantization of energy levels in molecules and the implications for energy absorption from electromagnetic radiation.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why UV radiation that does not meet a specific energy threshold (8.3 x 10^-19 J) would not be absorbed to increase the kinetic energy of O2.
  • Another participant explains that molecular energy is associated with translational, rotational, vibrational, and electronic energies, all of which are quantized, suggesting that only specific types of EM radiation can be absorbed to promote energy levels.
  • A later reply discusses the nature of translational energy levels, noting that they can be considered continuous under certain conditions, and questions the dependence of these levels on the size of the potential space.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the behavior of translational energy levels in confined spaces, with a participant agreeing that in infinite space, translational energy quantization does not exist.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between energy absorption and kinetic energy, suggesting that absorption primarily involves electrons rather than directly increasing the kinetic energy of the O2 molecule.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of energy absorption and its effects on molecular kinetic energy. There is no consensus on whether the kinetic energy of O2 can be increased by the absorption of UV radiation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the quantization of energy levels and the conditions under which translational energy levels may be considered continuous. The implications of these assumptions on the absorption of radiation are not fully resolved.

PPonte
O2 + 8,3x10^-19 J -> O + O

My textbooks says:

If an incident UV radiation has less energy then 8,3 * 10^-19 J nothing happens. The radiation is not absorbed.

My question is:
Shouldn't that radiation be absorbed increasing O2 kinetic energy? If not, why?

Thank you.:approve:
 
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I am assuming that upto know you have only ever learned that electron orbital energy is quantised, however this is not the case. A molecule has energy associated with a number of different aspects these include;

  • Translational energy (molecular movement as a whole)
  • Rotational energy (the molecule rotating as whole)
  • Vibrational energy (of the bonds)
  • Electronic energy (associated with electronic orbitals)
Now, all of the above have quantised energy levels. However, as you go from bottom to top of the above list the spacing between the energy levels becomes smaller, so the quantised energy levels become less apparent. Infact, the translational energy levels are so close together that for most purposes they can be considered continuous.

As I said above, the separation between these energy levels are different, and each quanta separation corresponds to a different frequency (energy) of EM radiation. The spacing between vibrational energy levels corresponds to the energy of the infrared section of the spectrum. Therefore, if a molecules absorbs IR radiation the energy will be used to promote the molecule to a higher vibrational energy level. The rotational energy levels correspond to the energy of the microwave section. Now, as the spacings between the electronic energy levels are greatest, it follows that they would absorb the most energetic radiation, which is visble and UV light.

So basically, the answer to your question is that all energies associated with a molecule are quantised and therefore will only obsorb a specific type of EM radiation.
 
Hootenanny said:
Infact, the translational energy levels are so close together that for most purposes they can be considered continuous.

I am not sure (QM was never my favorite subject) but IIRC distance between transitional energy levels depends on the size of the space available. In "narrow" potential well transitional energy levels can be quite distant, while in the infinite space there is no such thing as translational energy quantisation.
 
Borek said:
I am not sure (QM was never my favorite subject) but IIRC distance between transitional energy levels depends on the size of the space available. In "narrow" potential well transitional energy levels can be quite distant, while in the infinite space there is no such thing as translational energy quantisation.


Borek
You are quite correct Borek, I should have clarified that I was referring to a particle in a box. However, even if the dimensions of the box are in the same order as the molecular size; the energy levels are so compact that they behave as classical physics predicts, i.e. no quantised energy levels. As you also corectly stated that in a infite space no translational energy quanta exist.
 
Thank you both for your help, although I haven't learned much of that.
 
PPonte said:
O2 + 8,3x10^-19 J -> O + O

My textbooks says:



My question is:
Shouldn't that radiation be absorbed increasing O2 kinetic energy? If not, why?

Thank you.:approve:

I think that they were referring to the absorption by the electrons, so I'm not quite sure why you would think that it would increase the kinetic energy of O2.
 

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