Shouldnt the wind generated from the fan blow the dust away

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of dust accumulation on electric fans and the mechanics of airflow generated by the fan blades. Participants explore various aspects of fluid mechanics, the interaction between dust and airflow, and potential methods to mitigate dust accumulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the fan sucks in dust from the back, but some dust gets caught on the front, while some is blown off and some is forced down onto the vent panels.
  • Another participant questions whether the dust that gets stuck will eventually be blown off, given its proximity to the fan blades.
  • A claim is made that the air velocity at the surface of the fan blade is zero, leading to a discussion about the zero-velocity boundary layer and its implications for dust accumulation.
  • One participant suggests that dust accumulation could be beneficial for improving the aerodynamics of airfoils, proposing methods to measure and utilize this effect.
  • Another idea is presented about charging the blades to ionize the air around them, potentially repelling dust particles, although concerns about electric shocks are raised.
  • A counterpoint is made regarding the charging of dust particles, suggesting that it may lead to increased accumulation due to the attraction between oppositely charged sides of the particles.
  • Discussion includes the mechanics of airflow and pressure changes caused by the twisted shape of the fan blades, affecting wind speed near the blade surface.
  • A participant inquires about the electrical charge of dust particles, leading to a clarification that they are typically not charged but can become charged through certain processes.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanics of dust accumulation and airflow, with no clear consensus reached on the effectiveness of proposed solutions or the nature of dust behavior.

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Some claims rely on assumptions about fluid mechanics and the behavior of charged particles, which may not be fully explored or validated within the discussion.

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i just woke up and i looked at my electric fan...and noticed a lot of dust had accumulated on the fan...anyone haf any idea y? shouldn't the wind generated from the fan blow the dust away?
 
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Actually, the fan sucks the dust in (from the back), obviously, but then the dust gets caught on the front of it. While some of it is blown off (noticed any congestion lately? :wink: ) some of it is just forced down (on to the vent panels) by the air.
 
but won't those that got stuck get blown off? afterall it is very near the blades of the fan where the wind is the strongest.
 
Believe it or not, the air velocity at the surface of the fan blade is zero (that's fluid mechanics 101). The air velocity quickly rises as you move away from the blade surface until you reach the full stream flow velocity. But a grain of dust is probably bigger then that zero-velocity boundary layer. So, perhaps there is some mechanical sticking (building upon imperfections in the blade surface and then dust sticking to dust like velcro) in addition to static-electricity sticking.

Let's assume that your common sense is right and 99.9% of dust is blown through the fan (no sticking). Running the fan for hours and hours moves a lot of air/dust volume through and that 0.1% of dust that sticks eventually adds up to what seems like a lot.
 
you mean the air at the blade is still? wow... can u elaborate more on the fluid mechanics 101 and the zero-velocity boundary layer part?
thanks
 
Accumulation of dust can actually be a boon to those wishing to improve the aerodynamics of airfoils. First, by reforming the blade to the shape of the dust added, a more effective airfoil may be created. Secondly, weighing the dust between the initial and successive trials in a controlled environment gives a measure of how effective such reshaping might be. Thirdly, a highly charged shape may be introduced into a wind tunnel with fine particles meant to stick to, and gradually modify the shape of, its accumulating airfoil.
 
wat about charging the blades so that the air around it is ionised? that will kinda repel the dust particles and preciptate it out. the only flaw is that anyone one touching the charged blade will get a shock!
 
Actually i think that charging the dust particles will make them get more and more accumulated.
That is because each dust particle will not get a single charge, it will not be charged by induction (since it is not an inductor), therefore will have one side with a positive charge, and the other with a negative charge.
The thing that will make the opposite charged sides of the dust attract each other, accumulating more and more dust.

Another thing, the fan blows wind by making a change in pressure between the back side of the blades and the fore sides of the blades, now this happens because the blades are 'twisted' (not in a single plane).
Nearer to the middle of the blade (and very near to its surface), the speed of the wind will almost be zero, because the blade itself is blocking the wind, and the wind cannot have another path to this point (it will be a very hard turn for the wind).
This is only my explanation, not a proffesional one :smile:.
 
i was just wundering..are dust particles electrically charged?
 
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By default, they are not charged.
But they can get charged very easily, by (i forgot what it was called, but it is a way of charging without making the two charges into contact ..)

(I know that my english sucks, but i am working on it ...)
 
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Originally posted by Evil
you mean the air at the blade is still? wow... can u elaborate more on the fluid mechanics 101 and the zero-velocity boundary layer part?

Yep, on a microscopic level. You wouldn't notice unless you're particle-sized. Consider flow through a pipe. The flow is fastest through the middle and slower toward the edges where there is more friction.

Maybe I can elaborate when I get some spare time (and dust off my college textbook). For now, I hope this helps...
http://cvu.strath.ac.uk/courseware/calf/CALF/index/nindx.html
http://web.cvut.cz/cp1250/fme/k212/personnel/tesar/skripta/i02%5Ea.htm
 
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