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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the sequence defined by the recurrence relation x_n = (1/2)(x_{n-2} + x_{n-1}) for n > 2, given that x_1 < x_2. Participants explore the concept of contractive sequences, noting that the sequence is not monotonic and may require a Cauchy sequence approach. They discuss bounding the differences |x_n - x_m| and using induction to establish convergence. The conversation highlights the need to show that the sequence's differences can be made arbitrarily small, ultimately leading to the conclusion that the sequence converges. The proof hinges on demonstrating that the sequence behaves like a Cauchy sequence, which is essential for establishing convergence.
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Homework Statement


If ##x_1 < x_2## are arbitrary real numbers and ##x_n=\frac{1}{2}(x_{n-2}+x_{n-1})## for## n > 2##, show that ##(x_n)## is convergent.

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Definition of Contractive Sequence: We say that a sequence ##X=(x_n)## of real numbers is contractive if there exists a constant ##C##; ##0 < C < 1##, such that ##|x_{n+2}-x_{n+1}|\leq C|x_{n+1}-x_{n}|## for all ##n\in\mathbb{N}##. The number ##C## is called the constant of the contractive sequence.

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I know this sequence is not monotone so I think I need to use contraction. All I have is that ## |x_{n+2}-x_{n+1}|=| \frac{1}{2}(x_{n}+x_{n+1}-\frac{1}{2}(x_{n-1}+x_n|=|\frac{1}{2}x_{n+1}-\frac{1}{2}x_{n-1}|## and ##|x_{n+1}-x_n|=|\frac{1}{2}(x_{n-1}+x_n)-\frac{1}{2}(x_{n-2}+x_{n-1}|=\frac{1}{2}|x_n-x_{n-2}|##. But I can't seem to show that ##\frac{1}{2}|x_{n+1}-x_n|\leq \frac{1}{2}|x_n-x_{n-2}|## which I think is not possible but I am not sure. I think cauchy might work too but not sure how to apply it here.
 
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You've show that |##x_{n+2} -x_{n+1}##| = 1/2|##x_{n+1} -x_{n-1}##| and you wish that last ##x_{n-1}## were ##x_{n}## because then you would have it. I messed around with that a bit and didn't immediately see anything too promising.

I think I would try induction. Show it's true for n =2. Then see if you can do an induction step.
 
I think I might have to prove that it is a Cauchy Sequence instead. So what I would have is then for scratchwork is that there exists a ##h\in\mathbb{N}## such that if ##n>m## and ##n,m \geq h## then ##|x_n-x_m|=|\frac{1}{2}x_{n-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{n-1}-\frac{1}{2}x_{m-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{m-1}|##. But from here I don't know what to do.
 
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I think I might have to prove that it is a Cauchy Sequence instead. So what I would have is then for scratchwork is that there exists a ##h\in\mathbb{N}## such that if ##n>m## and ##n,m \geq h## then ##|x_n-x_m|=|\frac{1}{2}x_{n-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{n-1}-\frac{1}{2}x_{m-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{m-1}|##. But from here I don't know what to do.

Start with a numerical example to try to see what to do in the general case. Suppose x0=0 and x1=1. So |x1-x0|=1. x2=1/2, so |x2-x1|=1/2. x3=3/4, so |x4-x3|=1/4. Etc etc. Now see if you can figure out what going on and generalize that. And I think you have a typo in your problem statement. You mean ##x_n=\frac{1}{2}(x_{n-2}+x_{n-1})##, right? The induction brmath suggests might be helpful.
 
Well this problem is located in the Cauchy Sequence section and I am think this sequence does look Cauchy to me. I'm thinking if I can somehow bound ##|x_n-x_m|## by ##\frac{1}{2^{n-1}}## because of the ##\frac{1}{2}## then I would have it since ##\frac{1}{2^{n-1}}## is convergent. Oh yeah thanks I fixed the problem.
 
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Well this problem is located in the Cauchy Sequence section and I am think this sequence does look Cauchy to me. I'm thinking if I can somehow bound ##|x_n-x_m|## by ##\frac{1}{2^{n-1}}## because of the ##\frac{1}{2}## then I would have it since ##\frac{1}{2^{n-1}}## is convergent. Oh yeah thanks I fixed the problem.

Yes, and an extension of that argument would show any contractive sequence is Cauchy and hence convergent, right?
 
Yes but I doubt I can get anywhere with it proving its contractive. I think I am stuck pretty badly.
 
bonfire09 said:
Yes but I doubt I can get anywhere with it proving its contractive. I think I am stuck pretty badly.

I thought from your last comment in post 5 that you had the solution. What's bugging you? How far did you get?
 
The bounding part. Showing that ##|x_n-x_m|= |(\frac{1}{2}x_{n-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{n-1})-(\frac{1}{2}x_{m-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{m-1})|\leq \frac{1}{2^{n-1}}##.
 
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bonfire09 said:
The bounding part. Showing that ##|x_n-x_m|= |(\frac{1}{2}x_{n-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{n-1})-(\frac{1}{2}x_{m-2}+\frac{1}{2}x_{m-1})|\leq \frac{1}{2^{n-1}}##.

It's not. The difference |xn-xm| is dependent on what x0 and x1 are. If |x1-x0|=C can you show |x2-x1|=C/2? Extend that. It's going to boil down to a geometric series argument to show it's Cauchy.
 
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Ahh ok I will try to take it from here and post what I get when I am finished.
 
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If ##|x_2-x_1|=c## and ##x_1<x_2##. Then ##x_3=\frac{1}{2}(x_1+x_2)##. It follows ##\frac{1}{2}|x_3-x_2|=\frac{c}{2}##. So I from here what I see is that if ##|x_1-x_2|=c## then ##|(x_1-x_2)+(x_2-x_3)+...+(x_{n-1}-x_n)|\leq |x_1-x_2|+|x_2-x_3|+...+|x_{n-1}-x_n|= c+\frac{1}{2}c+...+\frac{1}{2^{n-1}}c=2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## which I know that ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## converges. I hope I got this part right. And for the first part I think I can use induction to prove it.

Proof:
 
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bonfire09 said:
If ##|x_2-x_1|=c## and ##x_1<x_2##. Then ##x_3=\frac{1}{2}(x_1+x_2)##. It follows ##\frac{1}{2}|x_3-x_2|=\frac{c}{2}##. So I from here what I see is that if ##|x_1-x_2|=c## then ##|(x_1-x_2)+(x_2-x_3)+...+(x_{n-1}-x_n)|\leq |x_1-x_2|+|x_2-x_3|+...+|x_{n-1}-x_n|= c+\frac{1}{2}c+...+\frac{1}{2^{n-1}}c=2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## which I know that ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## converges. I hope I got this part right. And for the first part I think I can use induction to prove it.

Proving it's Cauchy means you want to show |xn-xm| can be made small by making n and m large. An estimate of |x1-xn| won't help with that. Don't start from x1.
 
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Proof:
This is what I have so far.
Let ##\epsilon>0## and let ##h\in\mathbb{N}## such that if ##m,n \geq h## and ##m>n## then ##|x_m-x_n|=|(x_m-x_{m-1})+(x_{m-1}-x_{m-2})+...+(x_{n-1}-x_n)| \leq |x_m-x_{m-1}|+...+|x_{n-1}-x_n|##. Suppose ##|x_m-x_{m-1}|=c##. It follows from my previous statement that ##|x_m-x_{m-1}|+...+|x_{n-1}-x_n|=c+\frac{c}{2}+...+\frac{c}{2^{n-1}}=2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})<\epsilon## since we know ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## converges. I think this might be right maybe my indexes are off. Not sure.
 
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bonfire09 said:
Proof:
This is what I have so far.
Let ##\epsilon>0## and let ##h\in\mathbb{N}## such that if ##m,n \geq h## and ##m>n## then ##|x_m-x_n|=|(x_m-x_{m-1})+(x_{m-1}-x_{m-2})+...+(x_{n-1}-x_n)| \leq |x_m-x_{m-1}|+...+|x_{n-1}-x_n|##. Suppose ##|x_m-x_{m-1}|=c##. It follows from my previous statement that ##|x_m-x_{m-1}|+...+|x_{n-1}-x_n|=c+\frac{c}{2}+...+\frac{c}{2^{n-1}}=2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})<\epsilon## since we know ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## converges. I think this might be right maybe my indexes are off. Not sure.

I didn't check the details of the indices yet. The problem with showing that that is less than ε is that ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## converges alright, but it doesn't converge to 0. Think about it a bit.
 
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Oh yeah it converges to ##2c## and we need something that converges to ##0## since ##\epsilon## is arbitrary. But I don't think there is another sequence bigger than ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## that converges to 0 because if it did then some of the terms of that sequence would be smaller than ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})##. Oh could I just do this ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})=(2c-\frac{2c}{2^n})=\frac{1}{2^n}(2c*2^n-2c)## and since ##\frac{1}{2^n}## converges to 0 the whole thing must converge to 0.
 
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bonfire09 said:
Oh yeah it converges to ##2c## and we need something that converges to ##0## since ##\epsilon## is arbitrary. But I don't think there is another sequence bigger than ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})## that converges to 0 because if it did then some of the terms of that sequence would be smaller than ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})##. Oh could I just do this ##2c(1-\frac{1}{2^n})=(2c-\frac{2c}{2^n})=\frac{1}{2^n}(2c*2^n-2c)## and since ##\frac{1}{2^n}## converges to 0 the whole thing must converge to 0.

No, no. Define c=|x2-x1| once and for all. What's |x3-x2|? What's ##|x_m-x_{m-1}|##? Remember that inductive proof you were going to do?
 

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