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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule to a function f = f(x, t) under specific transformations involving x and t. Participants are exploring how to express the partial derivative with respect to a transformed time variable t' and are questioning the simplification of the resulting equation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the chain rule to derive expressions for partial derivatives. There are questions about the simplification of the derived equation and the correctness of the transformations. Some participants are also questioning the assumptions made regarding the relationships between the variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some have pointed out potential mistakes in the application of the chain rule, while others are seeking clarification on how to proceed with the transformations and whether the derived expressions are in their simplest form.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific transformations and relationships between variables, such as ρ' = ρ and v' = v - V, which may influence the approach to the problem. Participants are also navigating the implications of using partial derivatives in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



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So we have that f = f(x,t) as well as the transformations x = x' + Vt' and t = t'

By the chain rule:

\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t&#039;}} = <br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}\frac{\partial{x}}{\partial{t&#039;}} +<br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}\frac{\partial{t}}{\partial{t&#039;}}<br />

\Rightarrow<br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t&#039;}} = <br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}} * <br /> \left [ \frac{\partial{x}}{\partial{t&#039;}}+V+t&#039;\frac{\partial{V}}{\partial{t&#039;}}\right ]<br /> + \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}\frac{\partial{t&#039;}}{\partial{t&#039;}}<br />

\Rightarrow<br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t&#039;}} = <br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}} * <br /> \left [ \frac{\partial{x}}{\partial{t&#039;}}+V+t&#039;\frac{\partial{V}}{\partial{t&#039;}}\right ]<br /> + \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}<br />

Not really sure what the next move is? Is the above equation in its simplest form? Or can I do something more with it?

Also, I don't really see how I go about transforming \rho&#039; and v&#039; into the x-t coordinates?
 
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Note that there are only partial derivatives.
So then isn't
\frac{\partial x}{\partial t&#039;} = V?
 
You made a mistake:
<br /> \frac{\partial f}{\partial t&#039;}=V\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial t}<br />
as:
<br /> \frac{\partial x}{\partial t&#039;}=V\quad\frac{\partial t}{\partial t&#039;}=1<br />
 
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hunt_mat said:
You made a mistake:
<br /> \frac{\partial f}{\partial t&#039;}=V\frac{\partial f}{x}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial t}<br />
as:
<br /> \frac{\partial x}{\partial t&#039;}=V\quad\frac{\partial t}{\partial t&#039;}=1<br />

Shouldn't that be \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}?
 
Hi Saladsamurai! :smile:

(have a rho: ρ and a curly d: ∂ :wink:)
Saladsamurai said:
Not really sure what the next move is? Is the above equation in its simplest form? Or can I do something more with it?

Now you put in ∂x'/∂t etc, which you can read off the Galilean transformation. :smile:
Also, I don't really see how I go about transforming \rho&#039; and v&#039; into the x-t coordinates?

But the question tells you that … ρ' = ρ, v' = v - V. :confused:
 

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